Unban Sugar!

[kr0n05931]

This is a petition to unban sugarcorgit. She's a great player, and she was clearly flamebaited into calling them a pig.

According to this conversation I tapped into:

(The names of the two people in the conversation, and the name of the place where this conversation took place, have been changed.)

00:48 <Anonymous> i vote to unban sugarcorgit
00:49 <Censored> I'm not sure how much of the ban was 'abuse', certainly provoked, and how much was the 'insult' to the GM.
00:49 <Anonymous> it was completely in the insult to the gm
00:49 <Anonymous> (doors)
00:49 <Censored> "she continued to try and justify the insults"
00:49 <Anonymous> about that is
00:49 <Censored> Sounds like she was provoked and trying to explain.
00:49 <Anonymous> they were justified inho
00:50 <Censored> "...and insulted a GM in the process." insults are fairly subjective anyway, and sugarcorgit can be hard to understand (at times)
00:51 <Censored> The whole "you" did not have a name to go with it either
00:51 <Anonymous> she gave a newbie some clothes, and the newbie was demanding and abusive to her about wanting more... so sugar called the newbie a pig
00:52 <Censored> And 'pig' isn't always insulting either... (She's called herself a "pig" for carrying around too many items, for instance.)
00:54 <Anonymous> sugarcorgit takes issue on player abuse, and doors takes issue at her taking issue... madness
00:54 <Censored> http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... 327#p60327
00:54 <Censored> I'd be interested in an IP check on Zalika and SunSun, personally.
00:57 <Anonymous> she had given the player clothes, the player kept them, complained about it, but didn't want to give them back so they could be given to another newbie who'd actually use them
00:58 <Anonymous> they intentionally tried to aggitate her
00:58 <Anonymous> i dunno
00:59 <Anonymous> i don't want to be a nuisance about it. sugarcorgit should respond to it herself and give details
01:00 <Censored> I'm tempted to break lurker habits and post my opinion...
01:00 <Anonymous> what would that be?
01:00 * Censored wants an IP check on Zalika and SunSun
01:01 <Anonymous> anything I'd post would be heresay, but none the less, I still think the new gm acted a bit hastly
01:01 <Anonymous> not poor mouthing the gm, just would like a more consistent decision... mk wouldn't have been so rash
01:02 <Censored> Agreed.
01:02 <Censored> Neither would Capitan, I think
01:02 <Censored> Something feels wrong about this
01:02 <Censored> I'd like that IP check
01:02 <Anonymous> i don't want to call del out on a message forum and piss them off about something so trivial, but it in itself seems like a ban over trivialities
01:03 <Censored> Perhaps a thread in player talk, rather than the court house.
01:04 <Censored> Less likely to have uh, posts that when interpreted in a certain way may seem to have an accusatory note, deleted.
01:05 <Anonymous> sneaky but true

I have heard the pleas of these two users, and I will not let sugar get banned like this.


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Petition to unban Sugar:

1. kr0n05931
2.

[Katze]

Too late. Read on the Court House!

[Inkweaver]

Glad to see that the ban has been shortened. Those scammers and beggars are enough to provoke anyone, imho.

If they are breaking the rules first, begging and trying to rip you off, then you shouldn't be obligated to treat them nicely.

[Delasia]

Glad to see that the ban has been shortened. Those scammers and beggars are enough to provoke anyone, imho.
If they are breaking the rules first, begging and trying to rip you off, then you shouldn't be obligated to treat them nicely.

There was no begging or spamming. Sugar was offering, and demanding.
hence the issue

[Freeyorp101]

Glad to see that the ban has been shortened. Those scammers and beggars are enough to provoke anyone, imho.
If they are breaking the rules first, begging and trying to rip you off, then you shouldn't be obligated to treat them nicely.

There was no begging or spamming. Sugar was offering, and demanding.
hence the issue

Spamming was not mentioned. However, as Inkweaver said (and Katze in another thread), there was scamming involved:

The person she called a pig and cow was a scammer. This fact doesn't make him/her calling names better, but should also be considered in the punishment.

One final quote:

I would like to add my thoughts too this public discussion.

It is my opinion that GM's should NOT get involved in player relationships.

Simple name calling, crude comments, and the like can easily be managed on a player level. The developers have implemented an "ignore" function for this purpose. A player should never come to the courthouse with the complaint "he called me this" or "she said that about me". I have always encouraged players to handle these type of issues on their own, and will continue to do so.

It is also my opinion players should not come to the courthouse with complaints of spamming/begging etc. Unless of course it is causing problems with actual game play, such as lag etc. This can be handled in game. First by using the "ignore" function, but also by contacting a GM in game and have them witness the spamming/begging.

The bottom line for me, is the community should(in theory) be able to moderate itself for the most part. You act like an ass and you get treated in kind, either by being ignored or by rejection. You are kind, and you are treated for the most part with kindness. I realize this will not always be the case and there are exceptions, but a vast majority of the time it works.

Just a few quick thoughts for you to ponder. I will add more later if need be.

MK

---Freeyorp