TEST: New quests in North Tulimshar

[Jenalya]

I added four new quests located in North Tulimshar to the testserver. (They currenctly exist only as patches since I'm waiting for some new NPC sprites to be added before I want to push them to the testing repository.)

The quests are intended for low level players and have the purpose to make the area more lively for new players and also contain hints to several important places and other NPCs in the dialogue.
- The first one involves a group of kids playing hide and seek.
- The second and third one are very small quests offered by some NPCs at/near the market in North Tulimshar.
- The third one is rather big and requires the player to go to Hurnscald at some point. It can be started on the map with the dock.

I intentionally don't give much information here since I'd like to get some unbiased feedback.
Please test.

[o11c]

If we want players to wander through North Tulimshar, does it make sense for Hasan to still offer the warp?

I'm not sure if Anwar is located close enough to the main path for people to see him - perhaps move him a few tiles up?

For the hide-and-seek quest, it might be better if you are told the names of the NPCs you're looking for?

Have completed all except the fertilizer quest and no problems so far ... the grinding is such that it's just annoying enough that it's not trivial but achievable .... it's a pity it's asking for the same ingredients as are needed by the classic Tulimshar Quests.

[Jenalya]

If we want players to wander through North Tulimshar, does it make sense for Hasan to still offer the warp?

Good point.

I'm not sure if Anwar is located close enough to the main path for people to see him - perhaps move him a few tiles up?

Yeah, it doesn't hurt to move him up north a bit.

For the hide-and-seek quest, it might be better if you are told the names of the NPCs you're looking for?

The NPC sprites for the children will be replaced by new ones currently made by Nami, so maybe it'd be easier to recognize then (e.g. crouching behind a box). Beside of that if the players don't know which NPCs to talk to, they might talk to all NPCs on the map, which isn't a bad thing.

Have completed all except the fertilizer quest and no problems so far ... the grinding is such that it's just annoying enough that it's not trivial but achievable .... it's a pity it's asking for the same ingredients as are needed by the classic Tulimshar Quests.

I tried to require items that are drops from the low level monsters in that area (at least for the parts of the quest before Eomie gets involved, since she hints to go to Hurnscald).
If you have a better suggestion for what items to require, I'm happy to hear.

I added the things I'm going to change to a checklist on Trello and will wait for some more feedback before updating the scripts and testserver.

[Jenalya]

I just updated the testserver:

- Anwar moved up a bit north, so he can be seen more easily from the street
- Eomie explains how to get Ice Cubes and requires less of them
- fixed a typing error in Yanis

[Nard]

Test review #1

I created a new char especially for it. I did not read anything about these improvements before.

Ched near magic school (024-1): says #T16 for the spellname. -> magic.conf misses the "skrimp" spell name (on test server only).

Anwar:help to fertilize:
Tinris:
get chocolate cake for gf from Bakery (550 gp) or Ishi's monster points
get 6 maggot slimes, 4 bug legs, 3 Scorpion stingers, 1 pile of ash (fertilizer making)
get 4 maggot slimes, 5 bug legs, 2 Scorpion stingers, 2 pile of ash, 1 cactus potion (fertilizer adjusting, spell misses)
Eomie: asks for 5 grass seeds, 2 bottles of water, 2 ice cubes.
*interrupted: need to go to Hurnscald* (1)
500gp for ferry, 2 bottles of water (200 gp) total: 900gp ... died back to Tulim.
I help Hinnak for scythe (to spare arrows) and learn #kalmurk. Beer is life!
Anwar asks now for 3 cotton cloth and 50 silk cocoons. I have 2 cotton cloth, thanks Ishi! how will I get the remaining one???
500 gp again for ferry (. Hopefully I have now acorns to trade in bakery! and Nard told me where to get the silk cocoons fast!. Anwar could have told me or given me a contact in this new land :/ Ouch! A snail sends me back to Tulimshar. Lucky again I have the required cocoons with those I got before.
*interrupted: review* (1)



Banu: refill bottle 150gp spent 30xp, get knife (keep yours or you have to pay 5O gp for a new one!).
I could'nt complete it before giving the 10 bug legs, and level 16. (not taking into account the first 10 item I got with monster points which I didn't sell)

I think Banu could give the money back, it is a bit frustrating to have to give such an amount. Money is hard to get at this level.

Ayasha's hide and seek:
-Latif
-Charda
-Faris (roof)
-Ghada
-Rasin
then speaks about Sandra (5 scorpion stingers for bow)

Imec:
asks to bring a petition to Yanis, whom I upset a bit, but gives a permit
asks for 3 Scorpion stingers
yay! he pays for them at least a way to make money


Tulim quests finished except Anwar field fertilizing, at level 30, archer stats, with 5987 gp from monsterpoints mainly; about 8-10h (A real new player would spend 50 to 100% more time, I think). I used 1gp arrows for mine and underground palace (yes , I agree, I am not supposed to know that!). I was lucky for the ashes: 6 (3 with mobs 3 with monster points), 6 ice cubes, only 3 keys that I used for short bow.
I noted comments that came to me along the run.
I think most new players would ask to go straight to the bazaar, thus missing these nice little quests if they do not explore systematically. I experienced, as I helped a lot, and used a lot the bakery roof in hide and seek parties, that a lot of experienced players don't know this Tulimshar part well.


Ideas as they come::
-Banu could give the money back.
-Vincent says to meet Ayasha after allowing him to complete his model and
-Ayasha and Banu tiny quests are also required for Forest Armor quest.
-Perhaps the Ferry Master could warn you when some quest are not completed (Anwar one is special case)
-When you reach the appropriate level, some NPC could give you some acorns as a reward and make you aware of daily quests.

(1) State as of mon Jan 23th.

[Jenalya]

I did some updates on the quest based on the feedback and restarted the testserver.
- Banu now gives back 200 gp after doing her quests.
- Anwar explains how to get Cotton Cloth and Silk Cocoons.
- Hasan doesn't offer a warp to the bazaar anymore.

*interrupted: need to go to Hurnscald* (1)
500gp for ferry, 2 bottles of water (200 gp) total: 900gp ... died back to Tulim.
I help Hinnak for scythe (to spare arrows) and learn #kalmurk. Beer is life!
Anwar asks now for 3 cotton cloth and 50 silk cocoons. I have 2 cotton cloth, thanks Ishi! how will I get the remaining one???
500 gp again for ferry (. Hopefully I have now acorns to trade in bakery! and Nard told me where to get the silk cocoons fast!. Anwar could have told me or given me a contact in this new land :/ Ouch! A snail sends me back to Tulimshar. Lucky again I have the required cocoons with those I got before.

The magic fertilizer quest intentionally sends you to Hurnscald at some point to show the way to the next area. I expect the players to stay a while in Hurnscald before going back to Tulimshar, exactly because of the ferry costs.

I think Banu could give the money back, it is a bit frustrating to have to give such an amount. Money is hard to get at this level.

You're right, added that.

I think most new players would ask to go straight to the bazaar, thus missing these nice little quests if they do not explore systematically. I experienced, as I helped a lot, and used a lot the bakery roof in hide and seek parties, that a lot of experienced players don't know this Tulimshar part well.

I removed the warp to the bazaar from Hasans script, so now the players have to walk there and hopefully have a look around on the way.

-Ayasha and Banu tiny quests are also required for Forest Armor quest.

I don't think the Forest Armor quest needs more requirements.

-Perhaps the Ferry Master could warn you when some quest are not completed (Anwar one is special case)

Which quests should be included by that? The quests in the underground palace aren't necessarily intended to be done before ever leaving Tulimshar, since the Giant Cave Maggot is rather strong. It does make sense to get to Hurnscald in between, do some quests there, eventually get better equipment and level up and then return to Tulimshar to do the remaining quests.

-When you reach the appropriate level, some NPC could give you some acorns as a reward and make you aware of daily quests.

That's an interesting idea, I was trying to come up with more small quests for the area, but didn't have a good idea. Maybe I can make something out of that suggestion.

[Jenalya]

I added a new quest which can be started in the room above the crafting place and put it on the testserver.

Please test and give feedback.

[Nard]

I tested it once with my new char and it worked fine The traveler's luggage looks strangely as an iten
I will try with a more heavily loaded char.
I would have liked more information about the daily quest mechanism:
something like:
"The baker needs a lot of acorns every day. The stronger you are the more you can bring him. [...] I heard that some other characters need your daily help in various places of this world."
Perhaps Riskim could say it, at least the first time we meet him.

[Jenalya]

Thanks for testing!

I tested it once with my new char and it worked fine The traveler's luggage looks strangely as an iten
I will try with a more heavily loaded char.

Thanks for pointing this out, it seems I forgot to update the testserver with my latest changes. Did that now.

I would have liked more information about the daily quest mechanism:
something like:
"The baker needs a lot of acorns every day. The stronger you are the more you can bring him. [...] I heard that some other characters need your daily help in various places of this world."
Perhaps Riskim could say it, at least the first time we meet him.

Since Kylian isn't familiar with Tulimshar, it doesn't make much sense for him to know about the bakery that detailed. But I can think about a way to add this information to Riskim.

[Nard]

I tested once more: Imec/Yanis/Kylian
It seems that something is broken: after I gave the petition to Yanis, I have no option to give Imec the letter from Yanis.
I have to see again to Kylian later.
Johanne was with me and had the same problem.

Fertilizer: all worked fine. I gave their rewards to Tinris and Eomie.
Johanne got money as a reward , I got an iten

[Johanne Laliberté]

I tested once more: Imec/Yanis/Kylian
It seems that something is broken: after I gave the petition to Yanis, I have no option to give Imec the letter from Yanis.
I have to see again to Kylian later.
Johanne was with me and had the same problem.

Fertilizer: all worked fine. I gave their rewards to Tinris and Eomie.
Johanne got money as a reward , I got an iten

I did wrong, I got the the reward (Iten) from Anwar and it was in my inventory and it wasn't money I got. Sorry.

Johanne Laliberté

[Jenalya]

Johanne and Nard, thanks for the feedback. I updated the testserver with some fixes based on your reports.

I tested once more: Imec/Yanis/Kylian
It seems that something is broken: after I gave the petition to Yanis, I have no option to give Imec the letter from Yanis.

Found the problem, I changed a variable name and had a typing error in that.

Fertilizer: all worked fine. I gave their rewards to Tinris and Eomie.
Johanne got money as a reward , I got an iten

Fixed that too, you should get a proper reward now.

I have to see again to Kylian later.

Maybe a small hint to ease the testing: you can continue the quest when you leave the building through the entrace or when you log out and in again. This is to ensure that some time passes between the different parts of the quest.
After giving the reward, he'll still say something like 'see me later', because I plan to continue the quest, but that's not done yet.

In regards to the question he asks: you'll be able to answer if you talked to the right persons/visited the right places before.

[Nard]

The adventures of Sidran, apprentice archer ( Continuation from on Jan 23th.)

I had short bow and finished to help the miners and killed this @3#! Giant cave maggot.
I had the required cocoons, One cotton cloth to get.

I needed to another journey in Hurnscald, kill a lot of squirrels and mushrooms, and spend more than 3000 monster points before I got the last cotton Cloth.
meanwhile, I began to help Lena (7 hoods), and to collect raw logs (12) to get THE BOW.
I also helped Kylian, with his luggage:
After a first meeting with the sailor in charge of it, I had to go to store some items because his case is really heavy:12kg. Then he wanted to spend some time as a tourist
So I sent him to look at the old historic palace where Weelios could tell him the history, and recommended Bernard ( ) for his original soup.

I went then to Anwer, to tell him about Neomie's thanks and he gave me nice [Dark Green Cotton Trousers]

Surprise: Anwer did not take the 3 Cloths
I think Lady Jenalya will punish him for that. (ô͜ô)

I am now level 36. With another 4h (at least) of playing.

Fri., February 10th.

[Jenalya]

Surprise: Anwer did not take the 3 Cloths
I think Lady Jenalya will punish him for that. (ô͜ô)

Fixed. Thank you.

[Johanne Laliberté]

[quote="Nard"]The adventures of Sidran, apprentice archer ( Continuation from on Jan 23th.)

I had short bow and finished to help the miners and killed this @3#! Giant cave maggot.
I had the required cocoons, One cotton cloth to get.

I needed to another journey in Hurnscald, kill a lot of squirrels and mushrooms, and spend more than 3000 monster points before I got the last cotton Cloth.
meanwhile, I began to help Lena (7 hoods), and to collect raw logs (12) to get THE BOW.
I also helped Kylian, with his luggage:
After a first meeting with the sailor in charge of it, I had to go to store some items because his case is really heavy:12kg. Then he wanted to spend some time as a tourist
So I sent him to look at the old historic palace where Weelios could tell him the history, and recommended Bernard ( ) for his original soup.
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While Nard takes a nap I'll take over.

I completed the quest from Kylian and everything works

I told to Kylian to go shopping for nice outfits to the big Market near the Harbour at north of Tulimashar recommended by Latoy.
I recommended to Kylian to spend a pleasant evening at the Big Casino. The next day he was so happy, then he thanked me and gave me a nice present: the desert hat.

Johanne Laliberté