My Resignation from HMC, "Groups" and "Los Viscerales"

[Wombat]

No dave, a few people, have come onto a thread about my group and trolled it. You didn't have to say anything and the thread would've descended, but you'd rather act like you are a parent to everyone. Your beef is with kron and not this thread, which has done nothing to you

[evadem]

Wrong as usual Wombat. I have no beef with anyone about anything. I just think this thread needs to die. If you take offense by that, so be it. I don't really give damn what you do.

As for my posting on your dear little thread. I wasn't aware it was reserved for those you deem worthy of taking pot shots at others as they choose. Maybe you should file a complaint.

[Wombat]

Then why say anything dave? Why'd you bother posting? The problem is I'm right and you just want to run your mouth.

[kr0n05931]

I meant that I have seen him idling while attacking in the bat caves for ages.

[evadem]

Hmm...75 posts in 3 or 4 months compared to my 66 in roughly a year. Who's mouth is doing all the running here? As for your being right, perhaps in your mind you are. That doesn't mean I have to agree with you or that you actually are.

Kron as I said before, if you find a botter report it to the GM. Making accusations here accomplishes nothing.

[sugarcorgit]

Dave Trelos was not botting he was talking to Mrs Solo. Because I asked him personally.
Back then they were making dies to make me T necks of every single color and she helped him.
sugar

[sugarcorgit]

First of all there is only one God Wombat and you are not God. Second of all Trelos does not bot, just because he did not answer you does not mean he was a bot. It's very evil to lie about people. You can go over there and pat yourself on the back all you want to Wombat, but dont lie about people. Trelos is good for the game and you owe him an apology Mr. You should be ashamed to call yourself God.
Shame on you Sir
sugar

[kr0n05931]

First of all there is only one God Wombat and you are not God. Second of all Trelos does not bot, just because he did not answer you does not mean he was a bot. It's very evil to lie about people. You can go over there and pat yourself on the back all you want to Wombat, but dont lie about people. Trelos is good for the game and you owe him an apology Mr. You should be ashamed to call yourself God.
Shame on you Sir
sugar

When did he call himself god? Btw, god is not capitalized unless you are talking about an Abrahamic god, such as God (Judaism and Christianity) or Allah (Islam).

Btw, last time I checked a witness is considered substantial evidence in the laws of dozens upon dozens of different countries. Especially when the two people have no acquaintance-like relationship. Also, do not preach to people on the forums, as not everyone worships your god. I myself am a Christian, but you do not see me preaching my ass off on some video game forums. Btw, I don't think that you and Dave should really be posting and ganging up on poor Wombat. You two are married, and therefore tend to group on people. Also, flaming someone just because the left your clan and obviously made an accurate report about a botter? Just because someone joins your clan doesn't make them "Holy", but apparently in the HMC's eyes it does. And I have seen Trelos AFK killing in the caves many times, I doubt he would be carrying out conversations with people before /whisper was implemented.

You and Dave are good people, but when you gang on up on someone on the Internet, how mature are you really?

Almost forgot, any guild that keeps a botter in it just for the reason of being friends, is a horrible model for any guild and promotes fascism. A true guild should up hold the rules and expel the corrupt from their ranks by banning them. The HMC may be big, but TMW is not a democracy, and Trelos will be caught in the act one day. He may have not been in the past due to lack of GMs, but with 3 GMs on now almost all the time, I'll keep my eyes peeled and report him at the first signs of botting. And keep in mind that Wombat couldn't have reported Trelos out of spite. He reported him back in September.

[Wombat]

Fun stuff I missed while I wasn't paying attention. How's everyone today!

Dave, "running at the mouth" was more directed at your desire to start trouble rather than the volume of your posts. You like messing with other people. I respect your petty spirit and conniving nature!

Sugarcorgit, how are you? I'm glad Trelos has convinced you personally. The best to the both of you!

I am god

[Vink]

Btw, last time I checked a witness is considered substantial evidence in the laws of dozens upon dozens of different countries.

I think there are some important differences. In "real life", it's possible to check the identity of the witnesses and their relations. Out here, several witnesses could be the same person, or they could be related in ways that are practically impossible to check. That doesn't necessarily mean that witnesses are completely worthless here, just that they are not proof.

[evadem]

Kron, you need to get your facts straight. I belong to no clan, I am not married, Wombat has stated numerous times that he is a god in his posts and in game, /whisper has been available through SVN for many months, and I am not collaborating with anyone against anyone. My one and only offense is that I had the audacity to disagree with Wombat on this post. Shame on me!
And by the way you should grow up and display a bit of maturity of your own rather then linger on this supposed botting allegation you seem stuck on. The remedy for botters is simple enough. Report them to the GM's.
Oh and Wombat, this entire thread is petty and contrived in my opinion.

[Platyna]

Erm.
Can anyone explain ne what is going on here?
And what is a "new" and "old" GM system?
I am completly lost.

Regards.

[Wombat]

No Dave, the word you are looking for is "trolled". This is about my group, not about Trelos. His moment in the sun was months ago. His issue faded far away into obscurity because it was a non-issue until you, sugar and Black Don wanted to make an issue of it. This topic was set to be buried before people wanted to make an issue. I put the smack down and I will continue to on Dave, king of petty come backs and redundancy dressed up as clever thought.

[evadem]

Odd it seemed to me you were intent on making this about Trelos, since it has been the majority of what you and Kron have been harping about lately. I guess anyone that disagrees with you must obviously be trolling, so no sense in disputing that. How dare anyone dispute Wombat's words!
Feel free to take your best shot at me Wombat. It is natural to strike back when one is backed into a corner. I expected nothing less from you. Keep up the name calling too. It's is a brilliant show of maturity on your part.

[kr0n05931]

I am not married

Sugarcorgit has told me of your common law marriage to her. I am not stupid.

Wombat has stated numerous times that he is a god in his posts and in game

Agreeing with sugar yet again? And what relevance does this have with him leaving the HMC? God has a sense of humor, get over it.

/whisper has been available through SVN for many months

Trelos has been here since before /whisper was implemented, and so have I.

My one and only offense is that I had the audacity to disagree with Wombat on this post. Shame on me!

Yes, shame on you. You took a resignation and turned it into a flame fest.

And by the way you should grow up and display a bit of maturity of your own rather then linger on this supposed botting allegation you seem stuck on. The remedy for botters is simple enough. Report them to the GM's.

He IS a botter, I have seen it with my own eyes.

Oh and Wombat, this entire thread is petty and contrived in my opinion.

Then why are you posting here fighting against some guy on the internet?

I think there are some important differences. In "real life", it's possible to check the identity of the witnesses and their relations. Out here, several witnesses could be the same person, or they could be related in ways that are practically impossible to check. That doesn't necessarily mean that witnesses are completely worthless here, just that they are not proof.

I.P. Addresses are identifiers, and a quick google search of the I.P. will tell you everything you need to know about relations, especially with chat logs from the IRC.