I might not be a lawyer, but I have a feeling that i own the data I generate if nothing else is stated, no matter where it is hosted. As long as I didn't agree to someone else owning the data I own the data - anything else is weird. If i used your tools to make a chair, do you own the chair? this s...

I never gave up the ownership of my data, I generated it, I own it. There is no contract anywhere who states anything differently. At least not to my knowledge, If there is please show it to me. Anyways, without me signing it in any way it doesn't hold. So an obscure forumpost from 2005 is not goin...

players do not own their data, but yes, they are made free to delete it ¿Can you please delete my forum's account? You owned the forum's SQL database with my password hash on it, I think it's stealing and I don't want to be part of this anymore . I never registered in .org forums, actually It took ...

I never saw it that way, I saw it as "my hardware - my rules", that is fair enough. But the people who produces the data (the players) are the rightful owners to the data, the split gave them a choice. Platyna never owned the data, it belongs to the project and the players. I never signed...

As I understand it (I might be wrong) my conclusion is that the others were her collaborators, she wanted to keep a structure of leadership that they thought were contraproductive - so they split with the data that the "project" owned, they have a equal claim to that data imo. If i consid...

@veryape I never said Platyna owned the project. The eAthena-TMW server software is licensed under GPL. Anybody can have a copy. Anybody that possesses a copy of the software does own the DATA it produces running on their server. Platyna met this criteria. She was the sole owner / queen / dictator o...

@Wushin Your observations have nothing to do with her claim. Pure deflection. Politics would suit you well.

Forget the legalities of this, which we have gone full circle on 4 times. Prsm It's not for me to forget. It will be a Damocles Sword hanging over your heads for all time, because that is how you set it up by virtue of your actions and choices. The reason this keeps going full circle is the univers...

So for the record, you would rather send us to a dead server..... Interesting For the record, I would rather you negotiate with Platyna like adults. She is perfectly willing to work with people she doesn't like, for the sake of the project, like an adult. Why aren't you willing to do the same by her?

Nice try prsm. I didn't kill anything. The people that stole the data from Platyna built the whole foundation on very shaky ground. The people who currently run the project tempt fate by continually thumbing their noses at Platyna and her supporters while daring to be sued in court. Bad form. Bad ka...

The previous owner was Platyna, not Elven. Elven was the original founder of the software, and probably never the owner of the data output by the eAthena-TMW Server Software. Even if he was at one time the owner, along with Bjorn and Ultramichy, the baton long already had been passed to Platyna, in ...

@veryape The TMW Server Software is opensource by GPL; the data generated by the software is NOT, again by GPL's own licence. It is mindbogglingly simple. GHP were voluntary employees of Platyna, not equals to her. That is why they left; to make their own organization where they were in charge. They...

Ownership is such a simple thing, even wushin cannot muddy it, even though he tries so hard. Elven owns the DNS. That is all Elven owns. No more and no less. Owning the DNS and being the founder is great, cool, very respectable, but it does not confer any rights regarding the data on other people's ...

Sadly, you made this bed you have to lie in it. You picked your admins, if they were bad, that's on you, you picked them! By your own words you were a dictator! Who wants to work for a dictator? You never secured the DNS settings when you hosted, that's on you! You fought with everyone, once in a f...

Project founders opinion on this means nothing, TMW went its own way under Platyna's rule. The founders don't own the data, not of this fork, nor any other, so they have zero standing in this matter. They cannot give what isn't theirs to anyone else. The fact that Platyna was left with a copy change...