It's a shame Elven didn't use those three lines of contractual copyright clause (or something equivalent), placed under every GPL clause within the source files, to clearly assign ownership of the data outputs; that would have made everything so much clearer and simple, and saved us all from 60+ pag...

Ownership is, as was pointed out last time, the central impasse. Almost all of your other statements assume that Platyna was the owner, to varying extents. If you do have evidence for this, please do present it. While assertions are nice, in that they can help clarify a position, it's important to ...

I know where you are trying to go with this. Programs like paint, word, notepad, etc are used to make art and writing. These software run only when the artist-writer runs them, and then for the specific task of creating the output of art or writing, which typically the user-artist-writer of said sof...

Okay, I'll try again, If Freeyorp is running a GPL software, then the outputs belong to Freeyorp, provided there are no overriding clauses. GPL provides a presumption, in the absence of any other formal claims. The TMW Server iteration creates output more or less autonomously, but Platyna ran it as ...

If you are running the GPL software, then the outputs belong to you, provided there are no overriding clauses. GPL provides a presumption, in the absence of any other formal claims. The TMW Server iteration creates output more or less autonomously, but Platyna ran it as dictator (now "former di...

Regarding the repeated requests for a written contract. While we've already seen that a court will consider the impact of a pair of adjacent emoji in a text message as evidence, you might be interested in some of the general rules surrounding validity of online evidence, and how broadly this is con...

Oh, I think I finally understand! By way of example, ircd@ was made directly by Platyna, so even though I was given shared access by similar special exception for account sharing, it would absolutely have been wrong to eg. copy ircd config and services registration database, because ircd account wa...

MORPG are complex, with a lot of moving parts. Ownership is spread out across these various parts. 1) TMW assets, specifically the code (client and server), art and scripting assets are open source software, registered under GPL copyleft contract. 2) phpBB, the forum software, is also open source so...

@Freeyorp Not really. Your selective pulls are epic. Personally, I cannot be bothered. Missing from that is proof TMW Project had a standard hosting arrangement with Platinum. It only shows that Platinum did, among other activities, offer standard hosting arrangements. I already typed you a huge 7 p...

okay, i will take your word on that, bed time for Prsm. Please feel free to offer proof of ownership via contract or forum post for Platyna while I sleep. I would never ask you to provide something I could not, like you did to us. Till tomorrow Still insult free ..... Prsm Here is the problem. I al...

nope, you cant hold us accountable to something you cant prove, failure, epic failure. and still no insults, so sad it has come to that. So sad you cant hold your self accountable to what you want us to account to. May i suggest rocking the boat on "Angry Birds" or "duke nukem",...

so you failed! My argument is irrefutable. The only reason you get to GM on stolen property is because Platyna did not consider it worth her time or money to pursue a court case. I wouldn't either. For a deserted 2D game written in a stripped down Ragnarok Online emulator? Seriously? Laughable. Per...

FAILURE, you want us to provide what you can not. if she owned the data, as per you, she would have this GPL contract that you are requesting from us. You cant have it both ways! oh, and ftr The only person on either the GHP or TMWC that requested special items , was Platyna! She wanted a crown, a ...

so you cant provide the contract that showed ownership before platinum, you want us to provide something you can not, you do know she wasn't the original host? By your words she needs a contract to take the data to her server, law 101 ooops Since she didn't own the data she put on platinum (you fai...

irrelavant, and you know that, we have countless post showing Platyna resigned, quit, walked away, was afk was just a host! If you want me to jump through hoops, you need to do better. So far you haven't done that. All the forum posts are here, they follow the ownership! Or lack there of. I know yo...