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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by Altus Institute » 17 Feb 2015, 19:10

Hi

idk who can do this.
Perhaps Cassy?

i want in the wiki the new pages about :
the Travelers and reset the stats

why i ask?
Because if i create a page and its not good, you will create a redirect page, so better create the good page.
you dont have to create them if you dont want, just give me the name you want i use and its good.

The travelers will includes all the travelers and i will put them in the quest board.
Same for the stats reset. The page will include Jeremy (the guy who reset the stats for the newbie until lv 10 but idk his name =p), Wyara and Malivox.

Ty for your help
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19:25:07 wushin So you are highly capable of doing nothing?
19:25:20 Altus yerp =D
19:25:31 wushin Crap, im only highly capable of doing something...=/
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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by Cassy » 17 Feb 2015, 19:55

@Altus: Those are great ideas :alt-3:

Just call the pages "Travelers" and "Stats reset" ;)
Main characters:
Lv.94 - Cassy - speedarcher on dark path, bunny-wannabe, would like to ride on a Mouboo once...
Lv.95 - Biqcassy - mage on light path, addicted to her Fluffy Hat, love-hates Fallens, really misses Confused Tree...
Lv.70 - Simca. - dreams of becoming a speedarcher on light path, still has a lot to learn...

Personal development overview | priorities | wiki to-do | wiki profile incl. other characters

[20:24:59] <Cassy> debug npc in crypts!
[20:25:02] <Cassy> just a joke...
[20:25:08] <wushin> DONT DO THAT
[20:25:10] <o11c> !slap Cassy
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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by Cassy » 18 Feb 2015, 09:21

hehe sorry wiki translators, I've been editting the main page a few times to rearrange all those links.
Got rid of links that were double (side bar + main page, except walkthrough) and rearranged them so the really imporant ones for players stand first.
I might be finished now, sorry for the trouble ;)

Next step is merging "Create Game Account" and "Downloads" to have one link less in the sidebar and to make it clearer that you need both, registering an account and downloading Manaplus.
This will be different than editting the other pages though.

FYI :alt-3:
Main characters:
Lv.94 - Cassy - speedarcher on dark path, bunny-wannabe, would like to ride on a Mouboo once...
Lv.95 - Biqcassy - mage on light path, addicted to her Fluffy Hat, love-hates Fallens, really misses Confused Tree...
Lv.70 - Simca. - dreams of becoming a speedarcher on light path, still has a lot to learn...

Personal development overview | priorities | wiki to-do | wiki profile incl. other characters

[20:24:59] <Cassy> debug npc in crypts!
[20:25:02] <Cassy> just a joke...
[20:25:08] <wushin> DONT DO THAT
[20:25:10] <o11c> !slap Cassy
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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by EJlol » 18 Feb 2015, 13:22

Next step is merging "Create Game Account" and "Downloads" to have one link less in the sidebar and to make it clearer that you need both, registering an account and downloading Manaplus.
Why merge these? It only makes it less clear I think. If I already have downloaded the game (cause I played on a different server), and want to play on the TMW server I'm searching for 'create game account', not 'Downloads'. Also the other way around, if I reinstall my computer I'm looking for 'Downloads' and not 'Create Game Account', since I already have an account. Merging these just makes it less clear IMO.
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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by Cassy » 18 Feb 2015, 13:55

EJlol wrote:If I already have downloaded the game (cause I played on a different server), and want to play on the TMW server I'm searching for 'create game account', not 'Downloads'.
"Create Game Account" would remain but have a section where it is mentioned that you have to install Manaplus to be able to play TMW, if you haven't installed it already of course.
EJlol wrote:Also the other way around, if I reinstall my computer I'm looking for 'Downloads' and not 'Create Game Account', since I already have an account. Merging these just makes it less clear IMO.
We have "ManaPlus Client" in the sidebar ;)
Edit: and on the main page under "related projects"
Main characters:
Lv.94 - Cassy - speedarcher on dark path, bunny-wannabe, would like to ride on a Mouboo once...
Lv.95 - Biqcassy - mage on light path, addicted to her Fluffy Hat, love-hates Fallens, really misses Confused Tree...
Lv.70 - Simca. - dreams of becoming a speedarcher on light path, still has a lot to learn...

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[20:24:59] <Cassy> debug npc in crypts!
[20:25:02] <Cassy> just a joke...
[20:25:08] <wushin> DONT DO THAT
[20:25:10] <o11c> !slap Cassy
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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by EJlol » 18 Feb 2015, 16:31

So if I understand correctly, you actually want to merge 'Downloads' and 'ManaPlus Client'. That is something I can understand as they have (almost) the same purpose. :)
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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by Altus Institute » 20 Feb 2015, 15:57

hi,

Who can tell me where can i find the world map?
Need to change the map here :
https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/Blue_Sage_Quest
https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/World_Map

Since we have already a Candor quest, can we rename this page in : Candor's Battle?
Or Candor's Cave or Candor's Savior or whatever you want, just tell me.
https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/Candor
ty
19:24:32 wushin So, can you do something?
19:24:52 Altus I can do nothing.
19:25:07 wushin So you are highly capable of doing nothing?
19:25:20 Altus yerp =D
19:25:31 wushin Crap, im only highly capable of doing something...=/
19:25:34 cassy Its ok wu-wu, we all needs to start somewhere...
19:25:43 deepthought wtf
19:25:46 wushin .....
19:25:52 cassy *pokes* deepthought
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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by alexander1006 » 22 Feb 2015, 17:38

Altus Institute wrote: Since we have already a Candor quest, can we rename this page in : Candor's Battle?
Or Candor's Cave or Candor's Savior or whatever you want, just tell me.
https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/Candor
perhaps Candor Battle? (not Candor's that's strange)
go ahead. ppl would revert it if thats wrong.
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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by Cassy » 22 Feb 2015, 17:55

Altus Institute wrote:hi,

Who can tell me where can i find the world map?
Need to change the map here :
https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/Blue_Sage_Quest
https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/World_Map

Since we have already a Candor quest, can we rename this page in : Candor's Battle?
Or Candor's Cave or Candor's Savior or whatever you want, just tell me.
https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/Candor
ty
Not sure about the maps but about Candor we need three pages in total:
  • Candor Tutorial Quests
  • Parua
  • Candor
I think it's obvious what "Candor Tutorial Quests" is about, "Parua" should be the new Candor cave battle page.
"Candor" should be a new page about the city itself, also mentioning Parua and the Tutorial.

This way when you enter "Candor" in the search function you at least come to the Candor City page where Parua is mentioned.
People will still find the old Candor cave battle page.
But we would need to check which pages link to the current/then-old Candor page and maybe replace it with "Parua".
Main characters:
Lv.94 - Cassy - speedarcher on dark path, bunny-wannabe, would like to ride on a Mouboo once...
Lv.95 - Biqcassy - mage on light path, addicted to her Fluffy Hat, love-hates Fallens, really misses Confused Tree...
Lv.70 - Simca. - dreams of becoming a speedarcher on light path, still has a lot to learn...

Personal development overview | priorities | wiki to-do | wiki profile incl. other characters

[20:24:59] <Cassy> debug npc in crypts!
[20:25:02] <Cassy> just a joke...
[20:25:08] <wushin> DONT DO THAT
[20:25:10] <o11c> !slap Cassy
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Re: Wiki Help Needed

Post by wushin » 05 Mar 2015, 19:19

getting hercules documentation set-up as wiki pages.

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Re: General Wiki discussion

Post by Cassy » 06 Mar 2015, 13:13

Changed the topic name from "Wiki Help Needed" to "General Wiki discussion".

If you are wondering about my changes of today:
My next target is to finally rearrange the categories so we can finally work with them.
This will help to find the right pages easier.
Currently the categories are a *huge* mess :?
There are currently categories like from the time when development was also done in the forum or categories people created just for themselves.
Also many categories are connected to templates.
It will be much work :(
Please leave it to me, I have a clear vision how to sanely arrange things for the future ;)
Main characters:
Lv.94 - Cassy - speedarcher on dark path, bunny-wannabe, would like to ride on a Mouboo once...
Lv.95 - Biqcassy - mage on light path, addicted to her Fluffy Hat, love-hates Fallens, really misses Confused Tree...
Lv.70 - Simca. - dreams of becoming a speedarcher on light path, still has a lot to learn...

Personal development overview | priorities | wiki to-do | wiki profile incl. other characters

[20:24:59] <Cassy> debug npc in crypts!
[20:25:02] <Cassy> just a joke...
[20:25:08] <wushin> DONT DO THAT
[20:25:10] <o11c> !slap Cassy
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Re: General Wiki discussion

Post by Altus Institute » 06 Mar 2015, 15:57

Cassy wrote: Please leave it to me, I have a clear vision how to sanely arrange things for the future ;)
Sure i will not fight with you to do it :wink:

But the real mess for me is, how to find a template in the wiki?
for ex: Template:Pro
(https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/Template:Pro)
for what use? (who care?)
but my real question is how to find Template:Pro, if i need it?
coz if i dont find it and i will create a template for the same use.
and finally i have duplicate it.
and now the wiki have two same template with same purpose but with different name.

another point to clarify,
i see you add in all the wiki page this : metakey and metadesc templates.
i saw alexanderlime adding them also in some non english page :
(diff | hist) . . Zh:Walkthrough‎; 12:44 . . (+84)‎ . . ‎Alexanderlime (Talk | contribs)‎ (Same...)
(diff | hist) . . Sq:Walkthrough‎; 12:44 . . (+94)‎ . . ‎Alexanderlime (Talk | contribs)‎ (Same...)
(diff | hist) . . Pt:Walkthrough‎; 12:43 . . (+56)‎ . . ‎Alexanderlime (Talk | contribs)‎ (Same as above...)
(diff | hist) . . It:Walkthrough‎; 12:42 . . (+84)‎ . . ‎Alexanderlime (Talk | contribs)‎ (Same as above)
(diff | hist) . . Fr:Walkthrough‎; 12:42 . . (+86)‎ . . ‎Alexanderlime (Talk | contribs)‎ (Same as above)
(diff | hist) . . Es:Walkthrough‎; 12:41 . . (-80)‎ . . ‎Alexanderlime (Talk | contribs)‎ (same as above)
(diff | hist) . . De:Walkthrough‎; 12:41 . . (+84)‎ . . ‎Alexanderlime (Talk | contribs)‎ (added meta templates, player info, status green)

My question is : must metakey and metadesc templates have their own language or not??
If yes, i dont see the point why ppl put them in all non english wiki page.
If no, since i asked several time before using french metakey and metadesc templates, what i must do now? undo the job?
19:24:32 wushin So, can you do something?
19:24:52 Altus I can do nothing.
19:25:07 wushin So you are highly capable of doing nothing?
19:25:20 Altus yerp =D
19:25:31 wushin Crap, im only highly capable of doing something...=/
19:25:34 cassy Its ok wu-wu, we all needs to start somewhere...
19:25:43 deepthought wtf
19:25:46 wushin .....
19:25:52 cassy *pokes* deepthought
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Re: General Wiki discussion

Post by wushin » 06 Mar 2015, 18:14

English is better than nothing but Native Tongue is better for meta tags
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Re: General Wiki discussion

Post by Cassy » 08 Mar 2015, 13:39

Altus Institute wrote:But the real mess for me is, how to find a template in the wiki?
for ex: Template:Pro
(https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/Template:Pro)
for what use? (who care?)
but my real question is how to find Template:Pro, if i need it?
coz if i dont find it and i will create a template for the same use.
and finally i have duplicate it.
and now the wiki have two same template with same purpose but with different name.
heh good example, that's one of the templates that caused me a headache because everytime a user used it, it automatically created a new category "Category:Approved by UserXYZ" *facepalms*
It seems to be a leftover of when development was discussed in the wiki.
People suggested something and then users used the templates "Template:Pro" and "Template:Contra" to vote.
That's obsolete now and I already started getting rid of those.

About how to find them, that's exactly why I want to rearrange categories.
Templates will be categorized as such (maybe with subcategories for templates then can be grouped) so you just go e.g. to the Category:Template and have all of them listed.
Right now you can click at "Special pages" in the "Tools" menu in the sidebar and then go to "List of pages" -> "Categories", but not all templates are categorized.
In the special pages you will find a lot more useful links.
But I also want make https://www.themanaworld.org/index.php/Help:Contents far more detailled, also including a link to the categories.
I'm thinking about a nice overview like our main page or dev main page have.
Main characters:
Lv.94 - Cassy - speedarcher on dark path, bunny-wannabe, would like to ride on a Mouboo once...
Lv.95 - Biqcassy - mage on light path, addicted to her Fluffy Hat, love-hates Fallens, really misses Confused Tree...
Lv.70 - Simca. - dreams of becoming a speedarcher on light path, still has a lot to learn...

Personal development overview | priorities | wiki to-do | wiki profile incl. other characters

[20:24:59] <Cassy> debug npc in crypts!
[20:25:02] <Cassy> just a joke...
[20:25:08] <wushin> DONT DO THAT
[20:25:10] <o11c> !slap Cassy
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Re: General Wiki discussion

Post by Altus Institute » 09 Mar 2015, 09:39

Nice Cassy, i understand that is a big thing to do.

for the template i saw a possible way to put them in some categories to find them quickly.

Watching the recent change in wiki i saw that Alexanderlime do this :
Template:Metadesc/doc
for this template : Template:Metadesc

so if we add a doc page for each template, we will find the doc page for this template.
And if on the template doc page there is a link to the template or the template code there is no reason to put the 'template' in a category (since the category will appear on the wiki page who contain it) but helpers can put the template in a category via the template doc page.

this will works for sure, but need that the helpers create a doc page of their template and include a category in the doc page and not in the 'template'.

see:
template :branding (if we put in category in this template, the category will appear on the main page = disgusting)
so :
create a template: branding/doc (and include the category[+some info] here to find the template easly)

(Deletion log); 08:01 . . Cassy (Talk | contribs) deleted page Help:I18n ‎(template documentation is in Template:I18n itself already)
Its the same for this one, if we add Template:I18n/doc, we can add a caterogy in the doc page to find the template more easly. And Remove all infos in the template itself.

but you have to choose between help or doc or else.

Hope that will help you in your task.

Cassy wrote: I'm thinking about a nice overview like our main page or dev main page have.
that is a really good idea, the current overview are just ugly.
but something to ask,
this will be for soon or not?
because if you give a new overview, helpers will need to put it in all page.
I mean its the same for {{Template:Metakey}}{{Template:Metadesc}}{{Category_playerinfo}}{{Status_green}}

so if we can do the both at the same time, that will be better than do it twice.

Im waiting your answer about it to know if or not i put what i want to do in stanby.

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19:24:32 wushin So, can you do something?
19:24:52 Altus I can do nothing.
19:25:07 wushin So you are highly capable of doing nothing?
19:25:20 Altus yerp =D
19:25:31 wushin Crap, im only highly capable of doing something...=/
19:25:34 cassy Its ok wu-wu, we all needs to start somewhere...
19:25:43 deepthought wtf
19:25:46 wushin .....
19:25:52 cassy *pokes* deepthought
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