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Request to 90 day ban Platyna for abuse towards community

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First, I'm tired of Platyna's slander that we stole TMW from her.
a) No one but the community "Owns" an Open Source Project
b) You cannot "steal" an Open Source project, you can only lose one through negligence.
Second, rarely if anything does she add to the threads except throwing accusations around and steering threads back to the first topic.
Third, it creates a general hostile work atmosphere.
Fourth, The basis for her whole accusation neglects to ever mention that Elven still controls the DNS and switched the ips. Meaning, The original developer moved the server. As Elvenprogrammer not platyna created TMW.
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Also her forum tag links to her spam ridden forums of russian mail order brides and viagra ads and malware.
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I think at this point we have enough ethos that we can do this. She's had her time to speak, and most of her most vehement defenders have softened their stance.
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o11c wrote:I think at this point we have enough ethos that we can do this. She's had her time to speak, and most of her most vehement defenders have softened their stance.
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I dont see the point. Everyone knows whats up, her crap is obviously crap. IMO, there's no point in "validating" her claims of oppression and abuse by banning her. Take it on a post by post basis and move the crap to the parking lot. Either that or give her formal warning that she's on strict moderation and any mention of stealing the game or fascist regimes or whatever her current bullshit phrase is will then get her banned. She's a nobody. Why treat her like a somebody?

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what rules is she breaking? as far as I see none. Everyone should be treated equally even if they annoy you.

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If she were a nobody, we would have banned her a long time ago.

And ... say that we are bad at resisting trolls if you wish, but she *is* an annoying distraction to everybody. We have no reason that we should have to put up with it.
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If she was a no one, we would have just ignored her.
I to agree a ban is not warranted.
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sorry but 'being annoying' isn't against the rules. You can hate me for disagreeing but Everyone should be treated equally in this community it doesn't really matter who they are even if they are a "someone" or "no one".

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prsm wrote:If she was a no one, we would have just ignored her.
I to agree a ban is not warranted.
I feel I have successfully ignored her
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I moved this thread from Court House.

It couldn't stay in Court House, because the CH forum is, as we stated repeatedly, not a place for discussion. I couldn't find a public forum which is really suitable, so I was thinking about moving it to Off Topic, but the matter is too serious for that. So I decided to pick the development forum which has at least a bit of relation to it, and picked the Web development forum, because the forum itself is also a web resource of the project.
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Chicka-Maria wrote:sorry but 'being annoying' isn't against the rules.
We have reserved the right to ban anybody for any reason at all. And the very fact that this thread *exists* is proof that she is a serious disruption. Not just annoying, but a disruption.

And I have reasonable cause to believe that she will *never* stop. Because, like any troll, she only has to put in a tiny amount of effort and we do the rest.

You do realize, that right now, Platyna is laughing at how many are defending her right to be disruptive.

The attitude that "we must allow everybody to speak" is just plain wrong. There are plenty of media in which . This medium exists for one purpose and one purpose only: to create the most awesome MMORPG of all time. Any wake on our medium that is contrary to our purpose does not have any reason to be preserved.

Chicka-Maria wrote:You can hate me for disagreeing but Everyone should be treated equally in this community it doesn't really matter who they are even if they are a "someone" or "no one".
I would treat any other major disruption exactly the same way, except that they wouldn't have gotten the "grace period" where we forcibly try to demonstrate that we are not suppressing dissent. Well, the period of expressing dissent is past. We will not delete her previous arguments, only prevent her ongoing disruption which does not make any new arguments.

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o11c wrote:
Chicka-Maria wrote:sorry but 'being annoying' isn't against the rules.
We have reserved the right to ban anybody for any reason at all. And the very fact that this thread *exists* is proof that she is a serious disruption. Not just annoying, but a disruption.

And I have reasonable cause to believe that she will *never* stop. Because, like any troll, she only has to put in a tiny amount of effort and we do the rest.

You do realize, that right now, Platyna is laughing at how many are defending her right to be disruptive.

The attitude that "we must allow everybody to speak" is just plain wrong. There are plenty of media in which . This medium exists for one purpose and one purpose only: to create the most awesome MMORPG of all time. Any wake on our medium that is contrary to our purpose does not have any reason to be preserved.

Chicka-Maria wrote:You can hate me for disagreeing but Everyone should be treated equally in this community it doesn't really matter who they are even if they are a "someone" or "no one".
I would treat any other major disruption exactly the same way, except that they wouldn't have gotten the "grace period" where we forcibly try to demonstrate that we are not suppressing dissent. Well, the period of expressing dissent is past. We will not delete her previous arguments, only prevent her ongoing disruption which does not make any new arguments.

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TMW has to make a choice: how much are we willing to sacrifice the health of the project in order to ensure that trolls are satisfied?

Nobody is standing up for her here. The reason I disagreed to the ban was because its not equal and I have never seen someone on the forums get banned for "being annoying" which isn't a very good reason IMO. Everyone is told to ignore trolls what makes this so different?

What about everyone that keeps bashing TMWC we going to ban them too?

As said above she hasn't broken any rules, if she had that would be different and I'd be all for it. But if it was anybody else it would be put off as "just ignore them".

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Chicka-Maria wrote:What about everyone that keeps bashing TMWC we going to ban them too?
If they display the same amount of interest in destroying rather than creating? At some point, yes. But

To me, the most important thing is the health of TMW. It is completely reasonable that our own forums ought to be used only for our own purposes.
Chicka-Maria wrote:As said above she hasn't broken any rules, if she had that would be different and I'd be all for it. But if it was anybody else it would be put off as "just ignore them".
If this isn't abuse, I'm not sure what is. I weep for the future of TMW; with this kind of attitude we will never achieve greatness.

Historical precedent is not enough. We need to be *better* than we have in the past. We need to provide an environment where everybody feels comfortable as long as they're not trying to destroy us.
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I don't see a forum rule reading "don't tire developers with your opinions". In Platyna's opinion, the data was stolen.
Now, you can remove freedom of speech if you want, no one can stop you, but I don't think you want even more players being unhappy with how TMWC runs things.
Trolling in itself is not against the rules, if you consider what she does as trolling. To me, she's an active member of the forums who is also extremely vocal about her opinions on the current leadership of the project, and this doesn't break any rules.
wushin wrote: Fourth, The basis for her whole accusation neglects to ever mention that Elven still controls the DNS and switched the ips. Meaning, The original developer moved the server. As Elvenprogrammer not platyna created TMW.
Elven has always been your pathetic excuse for everything. He's completely inactive. You told him what to do and he did it, I don't think he even cares.

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