Public Test Server

[melkior]

I have been opposed to copying over the characters to the test server from the start. Since I've already made that known on IRC, I figured I didn't have to do it here as well. Maybe that was a mistake.

[o11c]

I have been opposed to copying over the characters to the test server from the start. Since I've already made that known on IRC, I figured I didn't have to do it here as well. Maybe that was a mistake.

Yes, I asked here for a reason why, since either it hasn't been said or I've been missing it.

Note that we cannot test for database corruption without the copy.

[cinderweb]

oh god he copied our characters over too? oh my Duck god i thought it was clear that this shouldn't be done is o11c the only commitee member left? well i've already had enough of him. I thought this was a committee run thing since you left platyna but i guess not. you just traded monarchs.

[Quinny]

Ok so you took away gm comands to do what? The debugs will allow you to choose what lvl,stat ect. you need Gm commands are not used for these thing. I am on test server now with people spawning and killing me over and over. How am I going to test if all that happens is I died trying to test and help you out. Gm commands where ment for the specific use of offical testers not for people to get on here and run a muck. You have Duck this up. With this you are now going to have to have "GM's" here to keep test running like it should.

[Frost]

I have been opposed to copying over the characters to the test server from the start. Since I've already made that known on IRC, I figured I didn't have to do it here as well. Maybe that was a mistake.

Yes, I asked here for a reason why, since either it hasn't been said or I've been missing it.

This is not your decision to make by fiat, and others can only try to convince you to change your mind. It's a serious decision that should be agreed. We don't have to justify everything to your satisfaction.
I too disagreed, but again, you said you disregard what I say.

Note that we cannot test for database corruption without the copy.

That's a specific pre-release test step, not a basis for testing methodology.

TMW can do better than this.

[melkior]

Yes, I asked here for a reason why, since either it hasn't been said or I've been missing it.

Because, as I said, I test everything except for the builds I use on the main server.

[o11c]

Yes, I asked here for a reason why, since either it hasn't been said or I've been missing it.

Because, as I said, I test everything except for the builds I use on the main server.

Nothing is preventing you from creating new characters and/or restat'ing the existing ones.

I've already said I don't plan to recopy the characters on every single restart.

[melkior]

And if you do it more than once, it'll become a nuisance, and people will stop using the testing server, myself included.

[Frost]

Why not just use the accounts from the previous testing server?
People (including me) had specific builds and item sets for testing. I had different accounts for different purposes too.

My regular game accounts have no value for me on the testing server. I already know how those characters work, and I don't need collections of items. My character levels are clustered around 80-95, which is not useful for testing. Besides that, I don't want to have the same character names on the testing server. I'm not role-playing on there; I'm testing.

I also don't want my real game logins and passwords to be migrated to future testing servers. We already see how casually one person can make this decision, and that's a warning to me for the future.

[o11c]

And if you do it more than once, it'll become a nuisance, and people will stop using the testing server, myself included.

That's a very good reason not to do it frequently. But what about, say, once every 3 months or so?

Sure, people who are testing now appreciate not copying, but people who test in future would appreciate the copying.

[melkior]

Considering how rarely the testing server is used, for some (if not most) users this means having to re-stat every time they use it.

I didn't think we even agreed on where the testing server was going to be, let alone on how it would be run.

[Quinny]

And how do you know that people in the futre will want it? If you have some great mind power of the future please do share and proceed. But seeing as how that really isn't what is going on stop assuming what people will or do want and just plain old fashion ASK them!

[o11c]

Considering how rarely the testing server is used, for some (if not most) users this means having to re-stat every time they use it.

Point, I guess ... but for developers and members of the official testing group, who are the most important target, it's rare.

I didn't think we even agreed on where the testing server was going to be, let alone on how it would be run.

But can we agree that having a test server at *all* is better than not having one? Because frankly, that was the only other option.

Nothing about how the test server is run is set in stone, but I'm trying to get *something* usable.

And how do you know that people in the futre will want it? If you have some great mind power of the future please do share and proceed.

I do indeed know what people of the future want: the want a test server that is more easily accessible. For that, the long-range plan is to connect to the same login server (so that every time players connect they see "The Mana World" and "Testing" after they connect), but we don't currently have the infrastructure to support that.

Note that connecting to the same login server will mean sharing the *account* database, but not the *character* database.

But seeing as how that really isn't what is going on stop assuming what people will or do want and just plain old fashion ASK them!

I'm not assuming anything about anyone. The problem that I'm facing is that half the people are asking for one thing and half the people are asking for the exact opposite.

[Quinny]

What other half? Of all the people that have posted on here it is Cinderweb (a tester) , Melkior (GM), you (lead coder), Frost (admin), Wushin (lead dev who started this thread) and myself ( tester).

Sure, people who are testing now appreciate not copying, but people who test in future would appreciate the copying.

I was referring to that. Yes people of the futre will want a testing server. Is your goal to run off everyone that you have here now? That is the way you are comeing across. To say this means that all of us here now wont be here in the futre and that the people of the futre will love what you have done.

[o11c]

What other half? Of all the people that have posted on here it is Cinderweb (a tester) , Melkior (GM), you (lead coder), Frost (admin), Wushin (lead dev who started this thread) and myself ( tester).

Prior to this thread, practically everyone, including Frost (I have logs if you don't believe me) was suggesting that running the test server with a copy of the live data was the way to go.

Is your goal to run off everyone that you have here now? That is the way you are comeing across. To say this means that all of us here now wont be here in the futre and that the people of the futre will love what you have done.

No, but I have to be realistic: most people only stay with the development side of TMW for about 2 years.