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Do you think boobs should be removed?

No
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76%
Yes
8
24%
 
Total votes: 34
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Re: Boobs

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¿Why discuss this?... You already deleted the pixelarts/xmls made by lots of collaborators for the female chest and launched that "cool" branch on test server and github.
The idea of delete pixelarts instead of fixing them wasn't the best after all because players aren't blind... Anyway, using workarounds instead of fixing bugs is not a surprise in this project, so let the Epic Fail exist But no more excuses please... players aren't stupid at all :lol:
¿It's more hard to develop equipments having boobs? The layering features you're supossing to add were included as basic tools in GIMP all this time and develop a .xcf to export .pngs wasn't a mistery, so artists could do a spritesheet variation or equipments easily without need of split everything.
Pixelart development WAS easy, but now after modifications the development is a mistery for the artists having a "dyeable-headless-splitted" playerset model, and the project is a lack-of-content platform because artist doesn't waste time on adulating projects to can pixel something for fun :lol:
*Shame on TMW* :lol:
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Re: Boobs

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Actually, I've asked for nothing more than someone to do the work. Here we have at least 15+ people who voted yes, who are highly capable doing nothing.

Remember we are all volunteers here. None of us are obligated to do. I'm not even sure when the community became too lazy to even scratch an itch.
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Re: Boobs

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If all players will look the same you can get rid of genders alltogether. Like TMW in 2004.
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Re: Boobs

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I still don't get what you guys discuss of. Probably because my english is not good. Are you deleting female breast in this game so that anyone can easier to draw new equipments?

Well, practically that's true. But i think it will pose a great risk in the future, for example: when a player want to marry-in-game and starts asking why ppl here looks the same in terms of gender/sex. Some players might get offended by that. And when the future TMW devs/artists (let say 15 years from now) are asked to draw proper female figures, they'll get overwhelmed by thousand of equipments that had been made easily by many peoples based on "flat chest" models. IMO, changing base model means changing the whole project it self, especially in art department. I'm not saying it's wrong, but think of it again in long terms perspective.

So i voted no. I think stick with current base models although with lack of new body gears is a good choice atm. There are possibility people that might able to work with it without having to do everything from scratch in future. As for the other races, you use human base model and make them dyeable. If there any body parts that should be different form human, make sure that they are on different sprites or does not break current body gears/equipments.

But if you really want to change the base sprites, then make sure it wont give TMWs future devs/artists a headache. :D
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Re: Boobs

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pateame wrote:¿Why discuss this?... You already deleted the pixelarts/xmls made by lots of collaborators for the female chest and launched that "cool" branch on test server and github.
The idea of delete pixelarts instead of fixing them wasn't the best after all because players aren't blind... Anyway, using workarounds instead of fixing bugs is not a surprise in this project, so let the Epic Fail exist But no more excuses please... players aren't stupid at all :lol:
¿It's more hard to develop equipments having boobs? The layering features you're supossing to add were included as basic tools in GIMP all this time and develop a .xcf to export .pngs wasn't a mistery, so artists could do a spritesheet variation or equipments easily without need of split everything.
Pixelart development WAS easy, but now after modifications the development is a mistery for the artists having a "dyeable-headless-splitted" playerset model, and the project is a lack-of-content platform because artist doesn't waste time on adulating projects to can pixel something for fun :lol:
*Shame on TMW* :lol:
wushin wrote:Actually, I've asked for nothing more than someone to do the work. Here we have at least 15+ people who voted yes, who are highly capable doing nothing.
Who you think that you are to insult the community?
The same is for you, if you are not happy with community wishes, put everything down and go to fishing in some nice lake to rest your mind.

Since when in an opensource project you dont take in count community wishes?
Since you are highly aware of putting a server on a commercial way will cost you some fees, who you think will pay the bill?
ah yes....the highly capable of doing nothing.

Calm down we are not your son....

You dont even take the time to answer properly when we ask you something, perhaps you think that some deserve an answer and some not??
wushin wrote:Remember we are all volunteers here. None of us are obligated to do. I'm not even sure when the community became too lazy to even scratch an itch.
You explain nothing, you make great and rude change in the game mood, and you wait some applause to the trash you trying to put in game after all the time doing nothing for the game....ah yes....finding bugs where bugs was not...like if each time you put in the update some bugs to be sure that you are indispensable while what the community asked for goes in the trash.

You want to do what you want even if the community is against (see for the rare)

Who ask you to change the nature of the game -the game design?
Male/female?
what is this 3rd gender?

Do you try to play with our mind?
Some make an identification with character.
Of course its like that a game works.
So i repeat, do you try to play with our mind?
No.....of course why im talking about this? I must be a fool highly capable of understand nothing. Yes it must be this, i see nothing else :mrgreen:

why do you bring some species in game?
Where are the new monsters we asked for?
Where are the new quests?
Where are the new outfits?
Where are the new weapons?
The forum is full of these, worst the database too, why they are not in game?

.......if you want to have them in game, become a dev......

What you didnt understand in pateame post?
To post yours?
Where are all these guys full of joy trying to do something for the game?
Perhaps you think that we are blind, because nobody talk?
Or some fools highly capable of doing nothing and thanks God you are here to save the game from sinking after all the holes you did in the boat?

I see the shadow...
I guess you bet something....hope its not your soul.

Anyway, i wait some excuse, not for me but for all the highly capable of doing nothing who support the project in a way or another.
(i didnt vote :mrgreen: )I dont see the point to vote on something already decided.

And by the way, hope you will put down your wishes to become the director of the board by yourself after showing what you expect of us and how you consider us, its the minimum you can do now.

You see the problem is talking.....talking with people who despise the community will only help you to do the same.
And after you will think that you are in your right to do it, forgetting that you have to respect every one when you are in your position, even if ppl are disagree with you.
You dont work for microsoft as publishing director/editor.

Matt wrote:If all players will look the same you can get rid of genders alltogether. Like TMW in 2004.
Altus Institute wrote: what is the point to have 3 genders, if they are all the same?
Do it simple, remove female and 3rd useless gender and keep the male gender.
Why do you ask yourself so much when its simple? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Like i said previously do you try to play with our mind?
If all have the same look why including 3rd gender?
you want to remove the boobs?
im ok with it since you dont include your useless 3rd gender.
Because there is no 3rd gender in human specie.
Oh there is 3rd gender in species???
If i want to play species, i will play warcraft or others or even simscity :lol: but probably not tmw.
And since you cannot add some more spell in dark or light path in game, what make you think that you will be capable with the new engine?
The design will be different?
That will not be the mana world anymore, another game, yes but not the mana world.

AAAAAAAAhhhhhhhh, its for that you didnt add new contents all this time, to put the pressure on us to accept all of yours change in tmw.
So its clear now.


And please dont forget its not up to you to say guys if you are not happy with what we doing go away.
Make your mind about it.

Ty

ps : happiness is my friend :wink:
19:24:32 wushin So, can you do something?
19:24:52 Altus I can do nothing.
19:25:07 wushin So you are highly capable of doing nothing?
19:25:20 Altus yerp =D
19:25:31 wushin Crap, im only highly capable of doing something...=/
19:25:34 cassy Its ok wu-wu, we all needs to start somewhere...
19:25:43 deepthought wtf
19:25:46 wushin .....
19:25:52 cassy *pokes* deepthought
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Re: Boobs

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8) Haters gonna hate. Anyways 8 days left.

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Re: Boobs

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Boobs are a normal healthy part of the female anatomy. If you can't handle boobs, go play minecraft.

P.S. That being said, I guess some equipment could make you look like a dude. Just ask Mulan.

So basically: Keep the genders. Keep the boobs. But, if you have an equipment with a single male or neutral look to it, then putting it on will make you look like that while it is on. What is the harm in programming it like that? Heck, you could even have an equipment that makes you look like a frog. So what's the harm?
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Re: Boobs

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wushin wrote:8) Haters gonna hate. Anyways 8 days left.
Why do you call "haters" everybody who disagrees with you?

You want to change an important aspect of the game, why are you shocked that most of players don't want it? You should consider the possibility, that the whole thing wasn't thought through properly (not just from the POV of devs, but players too), and roll back.

You say that content development will be twice easier, if you'll have to draw only for "flat" players. So it's making the artist's life easier, which, in the end, might be not a bad thing. Might.

I guess it's too late now, but the 3rd gender could have been something in between the 2, where you can't really tell whether it's "he" or "she".

I don't like that everybody will be reshaped to the same look. It's unnatural, genders differ IRL, we should differ in the game.
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Re: Boobs

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Travolta wrote:
wushin wrote:8) Haters gonna hate. Anyways 8 days left.
Why do you call "haters" everybody who disagrees with you?

You want to change an important aspect of the game, why are you shocked that most of players don't want it? You should consider the possibility, that the whole thing wasn't thought through properly (not just from the POV of devs, but players too), and roll back.

You say that content development will be twice easier, if you'll have to draw only for "flat" players. So it's making the artist's life easier, which, in the end, might be not a bad thing. Might.

I guess it's too late now, but the 3rd gender could have been something in between the 2, where you can't really tell whether it's "he" or "she".

I don't like that everybody will be reshaped to the same look. It's unnatural, genders differ IRL, we should differ in the game.
Afaik wushin directed it at a specific player, not all the people who got criticism on the change.
I'll upload the log of the chat we had on irc (later today), you can see it was heated chat, but still i agreed with a simple thing meko and wushin said. The change was announced sometime during October, if we the none devs had objections or suggestions we could get more involved earlier and make a better suggestion, or actively change the PR for removing boobs.
We can still reverse the change 7 days are left to do so before next release and plenty of time afterwards to do so. all we need to do if we got the knowledge and skills (like you do Travolta), is to get more involved in development.
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Re: Boobs

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Hmm, I don't remember any discussion occur during October about this matter. There were only heads for new races project that i got involved a little, nothing mentions about changing the whole base model. Maybe it happen when I took a break for two months. XD

Well, if it already done and none can revert it back, then so be it. The game must go on. And make new plan for the next release, whether it's to bring back the female base model or something else. I'm sorry i can't help much with it. :oops:

@EJlol: You can check the new sprite for yourself in test server. But i guess that's not what you mean. :D
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Re: Boobs

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The title of this topic should be changed to something more revelant, because the project isn't only loosing "boobs", but changing the future for playerset development.
(I opened this thread thinking on boobs pics and failed )
¿7 days to reverse a change?
¿How much time do you think artists spended to create the female character for TMW?
As I see, the new haters will be Modanung, Skipy, Talaroc, Black Don, Wombat and anyone else who contribute on female graphics all these years, because all their work on female pixelarts will be wasted.
Hopefully, in a alternative dystopian world, our next content leader Matt can create a Collection of Deleted Stuff and bring peace back to this socialism nest... :lol:
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Re: Boobs

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You forgot the names of the people that finished the sprite 1.5 (The boobed sprite):

Wushin, Bernhardt, Strealyn, Cassy, Fother, veryape.

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Re: Boobs

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pateame wrote:(I opened this thread thinking on boobs pics and failed )
I guess that explains why so many people are engaged in this topic...

Well no boob pics but here are the logs i promised earlier.
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Re: Boobs

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I don't think removing boobs cause the amount of work is a good idea. As someone said before a lot of time was invested by some artists in the past to draw the sprites and objects properly, and a walk around to make the problem disappear (seeing the obvious lack of developers) is not a good way to solve things. Firstly I think TMW should make the game more "Dev friendly", I told that several times in the IRC already, and every time (as I expect is going to happen now) I get attacked and mocked by some offended devs, also starting with the development is not an easy thing, and when you ask in the IRC you seem to be annoying rather of feeling welcome.
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