Feel free to make an appeal of rule #6 regarding GM suggestion threads. Members should feel free and at ease to post what they believe to be a valid pro or con without fear of enduring endless critique of their point. I believe this is the intention behind said rule #6, but none seems to bother abiding by it nor does any moderator care to step in and enforce it.Jerobeel wrote:
-This is not personal, why should i talk with you about this else where? and yes, there could be another thread like "justify your vote for -put name here-" but isn't that too much?
i mean this is politics, so here it is where the discusison feels right.
Crazyk8e
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1. Each member of the community can make a topic (poll) suggesting another person for a GM. You can't make a poll for yourself.
2. One topic per person, any duplicates will be removed and votes will be lost.
3. Each poll has to be done according to the schema (yes has to be first option and no the second):
"Do you agree for person X to become a GM?"
"Yes."
"No."
You are supposed to allow only one option per user and allow revoting.
You are supposed to pick "run for 0 days".
4. A person suggested has to collect at least 45 votes (or more) for yes, with minimum 75% for yes and maximum 25% for no (3:1 ratio).
5. A person suggested may request closing of the topic.
6. Only posts containing valid pros and cons are allowed in the threads, discussions however are not allowed. For discussions about particular case use Player Talk forums.
7. If a person collects the required votes, assuming there are free positions and no objections are raised, they'll be granted "Junior GM" rights for a certain period.
8. After training and approval from the senior GMs, the team will formally grant full GM rights and team membership.
9. If many persons will gain required voices, voice count will matter.
10. The amount of GMs to pick in certain time line will be determined by the TMW Team (Admins, GMs and developers).
11. Persons rejected due lack of free positions will be put on hold till any position becomes available (according to vote count).
12. If more than a year passes, a new poll must be open to ensure the community is still fine with the nomination.
13. Usual GM choosing criteria and guidelines still apply, persons not meeting those criteria will be rejected and will have their thread closed.
14. Sockpuppeting will be detected and all accounts, including the master's one will be banned forever without warning. There is one vote per person, and a person means a human being not a forum account.
15. If this forum will turn into a flame war cave, people posting here will act unreasonably and will break the rules on massive scale, forum will be closed down. So use it wisely.
16. If you don't know a person suggested, it is better to find out who is s/he and what they do before voting, do not vote "no" just because you don't know someone.
17. State EXACT player name that clearly identify a person (in game or on forums - precise which one it is).
18. After a candidate receives required amount of votes, the poll is closed, a candidate reviewed by the TMW Committee and asked (or not - in case of valid objections) to become a GM.
19. You need to have at least 10 posts to participate in the polls.
1. Each member of the community can make a topic (poll) suggesting another person for a GM. You can't make a poll for yourself.
2. One topic per person, any duplicates will be removed and votes will be lost.
3. Each poll has to be done according to the schema (yes has to be first option and no the second):
"Do you agree for person X to become a GM?"
"Yes."
"No."
You are supposed to allow only one option per user and allow revoting.
You are supposed to pick "run for 0 days".
4. A person suggested has to collect at least 45 votes (or more) for yes, with minimum 75% for yes and maximum 25% for no (3:1 ratio).
5. A person suggested may request closing of the topic.
6. Only posts containing valid pros and cons are allowed in the threads, discussions however are not allowed. For discussions about particular case use Player Talk forums.
7. If a person collects the required votes, assuming there are free positions and no objections are raised, they'll be granted "Junior GM" rights for a certain period.
8. After training and approval from the senior GMs, the team will formally grant full GM rights and team membership.
9. If many persons will gain required voices, voice count will matter.
10. The amount of GMs to pick in certain time line will be determined by the TMW Team (Admins, GMs and developers).
11. Persons rejected due lack of free positions will be put on hold till any position becomes available (according to vote count).
12. If more than a year passes, a new poll must be open to ensure the community is still fine with the nomination.
13. Usual GM choosing criteria and guidelines still apply, persons not meeting those criteria will be rejected and will have their thread closed.
14. Sockpuppeting will be detected and all accounts, including the master's one will be banned forever without warning. There is one vote per person, and a person means a human being not a forum account.
15. If this forum will turn into a flame war cave, people posting here will act unreasonably and will break the rules on massive scale, forum will be closed down. So use it wisely.
16. If you don't know a person suggested, it is better to find out who is s/he and what they do before voting, do not vote "no" just because you don't know someone.
17. State EXACT player name that clearly identify a person (in game or on forums - precise which one it is).
18. After a candidate receives required amount of votes, the poll is closed, a candidate reviewed by the TMW Committee and asked (or not - in case of valid objections) to become a GM.
19. You need to have at least 10 posts to participate in the polls.
Re: Crazyk8e
Re: Crazyk8e
Alright, alright. From my part of the cake im sorry.Shainen wrote:Feel free to make an appeal of rule #6 regarding GM suggestion threads. Members should feel free and at ease to post what they believe to be a valid pro or con without fear of enduring endless critique of their point. I believe this is the intention behind said rule #6, but none seems to bother abiding by it nor does any moderator care to step in and enforce it.Jerobeel wrote:
-This is not personal, why should i talk with you about this else where? and yes, there could be another thread like "justify your vote for -put name here-" but isn't that too much?
i mean this is politics, so here it is where the discusison feels right.
Re: Crazyk8e
Your no fun but this response suits your nameVillain wrote:Responding to MrWho "is irrelevant to the present issue" (Crazyk8e's GM nomination) as well.
"I don't know what you are talking about, and probably many others either, don't care, is irrelevant to the present issue." Incorrect.
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GMs espouse an aura of authority and holding players accountable which I disagree with. I vote for anarchy!
Case has been rested.
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Re: Crazyk8e
I also agree there might need to be more GMs since a lot of the other ones aren't active anymore or had left. But I also think we shouldn't just pick someone because of their time zone alone. The person needs to be able to handle the job too (for my opinion Hence why I voted no earlier).
But I also agree, that this is off topic and needs to be moved.
regards,
Chicka
But I also agree, that this is off topic and needs to be moved.
regards,
Chicka
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Re: Crazyk8e
I agree with Chicka on those points. Hence why I voted yes.Chicka-Maria wrote:I also agree there might need to be more GMs since a lot of the other ones aren't active anymore or had left. But I also think we shouldn't just pick someone because of their time zone alone. The person needs to be able to handle the job too.
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Re: Crazyk8e
lol, I disagree with all points except for number 3. Except they're crocs, which are a little more aggressive than gators. I was scared to look at point 4 though, so I don't know.DefinitelyNOTMrWho wrote:1.We don't need more GMs in this game, we already have too many.
2.You should have gotten someone more thrustworthy to nominate you and not some guy who stabbed Platyna in the back and stole her game.
3.No australians play this game (or other people GMT +11) because they are busy wrestling alligators and getting stabbed by stingrays.
4. http://www.strangeparty.com/2005/04/16/old-post-18/
I rest my case.
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Re: Crazyk8e
I voted yes for Crazyk8e. Here's why.
1) Time zone moderation is important, and k8e is correct in saying that we all make mistakes. She would be a junior GM to start with, which hopefully would be time for an induction into how it works. I see her as sensible, and able to adapt to change. She's from the majority's hemisphere originally, so has a similar mindset also.
2) Crazyk8e (as opposed to popular belief) isn't crazy. lol.
3) k8e's demonstrated sensibility, and as for the "oversensitive" claims, even if she was, which I disagree with, working with a body of others would ensure some consistency, whilst allowing the flavour of her personality to be advantageous to the game. I view responding to trolls not always a negative, as sometimes yes, silence is golden, but other times a response is vital. To ignore constantly without any initial response leaves questions hanging. Hence, I see her response as a good thing. I do disagree with her on some points, as regards the main theme of the day for a while now as to Platyna and the server, as regards trolling, but that's neither here nor there. The point is, I believe she'll look after the players interests in all fairness whilst upholding what the GM is required to do by way of procedure.
1) Time zone moderation is important, and k8e is correct in saying that we all make mistakes. She would be a junior GM to start with, which hopefully would be time for an induction into how it works. I see her as sensible, and able to adapt to change. She's from the majority's hemisphere originally, so has a similar mindset also.
2) Crazyk8e (as opposed to popular belief) isn't crazy. lol.
3) k8e's demonstrated sensibility, and as for the "oversensitive" claims, even if she was, which I disagree with, working with a body of others would ensure some consistency, whilst allowing the flavour of her personality to be advantageous to the game. I view responding to trolls not always a negative, as sometimes yes, silence is golden, but other times a response is vital. To ignore constantly without any initial response leaves questions hanging. Hence, I see her response as a good thing. I do disagree with her on some points, as regards the main theme of the day for a while now as to Platyna and the server, as regards trolling, but that's neither here nor there. The point is, I believe she'll look after the players interests in all fairness whilst upholding what the GM is required to do by way of procedure.
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Re: Crazyk8e
*bump*
This and Ginaria's nomination are not to be treated as competition.
Gina even reminded me on this one by mentioning that she might be blocking Crazyk8e's nomination.
As far as I can tell this is not true because we need more than one GM and because they are in different time zones.
Anyway, this poll was about to get forgotten, so please remember to vote on both Gina's and Katie's poll
(someone had to mention this)
This and Ginaria's nomination are not to be treated as competition.
Gina even reminded me on this one by mentioning that she might be blocking Crazyk8e's nomination.
As far as I can tell this is not true because we need more than one GM and because they are in different time zones.
Anyway, this poll was about to get forgotten, so please remember to vote on both Gina's and Katie's poll
(someone had to mention this)
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Re: Crazyk8e
Wrong:DefinitelyNOTMrWho wrote:1.We don't need more GMs in this game, we already have too many.
UTC+11 (Leap seconds ARE important!) is populated.3.No australians play this game (or other people GMT +11) because they are busy wrestling alligators and getting stabbed by stingrays.
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Re: Crazyk8e
Keep in mind we are also voting on the person would make a good GM or not, votes shouldnt just be based off time zones.
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Re: Crazyk8e
More GMs! specially people like Crazyk8e.
The secret to getting all the important stuff done is doing nothing.
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Re: Crazyk8e
Needing More GMs doesn't mean we should drop the quality of GMs. People need to vote on the fact if the person is going to be a good GM or not, not just because were desprite to have GMs on certain time zones.wushin wrote:More GMs! specially people like Crazyk8e.
my Votes still no.
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Re: Crazyk8e
More GMs and Crazyk8e is good people.
The secret to getting all the important stuff done is doing nothing.
Re: Crazyk8e
More GMs to test GM abuse as well \o/wushin wrote:More GMs and Crazyk8e is good people.
By the way, you can not talk of any "quality" as you do not revote on current GMs and do not recall rights of GMs that do nothing ;) GM in this context stands for Game Mafia.
Re: Crazyk8e
nm0i wrote:Wrong:DefinitelyNOTMrWho wrote:1.We don't need more GMs in this game, we already have too many.
UTC+11 (Leap seconds ARE important!) is populated.3.No australians play this game (or other people GMT +11) because they are busy wrestling alligators and getting stabbed by stingrays.
wushin wrote:More GMs! specially people like Crazyk8e.
First of all this is only my opinion, i also think we have enough GM's for now. You not satisfied with GM work? dismiss inactive GMs first then add new ones.wushin wrote:More GMs and Crazyk8e is good people.
Second, nothing against Crazyk8e, its indeed good people! but according to nm0i's chart, there is hours without a GM, so in my opinion instead of getting new GM's because they are "good people" choose GM's that we need! that can maybe fill that gap on nm0i's chart. a GM is not a "friend" or because its "good people" he should take the job seriously and devoted to his work, and be the most present possible and not "inactive" like some, or most (also apply to Devs).
So in my opinion, More GMs? try to clean the house first, and choose what we NEED, not because its a good person, i can name 10 good guys that could be GM right now just because they are "nice", but we dont need them to be "nice". there is only 1-2 active GMs that do something for the game everyday, and i can see that because i play this every day for more than a year.
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