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Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 01 Dec 2019, 14:51
by Livio
WildX wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 14:04
I think it's about time for a new GM. Somebody to cover non-American timezones would be especially useful, but I'm sure Prsm can use an extra hand regardless. Voting yes!

The poll is going very well so good luck! :D
I really doubt that a Mexican girl can cover non-American timezones.
I can cover most European afternoon/night time zone but I don't know how to enforce rules on game.
Maybe an Asian GM would be useful too.

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 01 Dec 2019, 21:57
by Krists
I VOTED YES.... 8)

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 02 Dec 2019, 12:57
by Livio
After getting some more opinions, I agree to vote yes to allow kytty to have game mastering powers.
Kytty don't let us down!

A note for players:
Now that probably TMW will have a new GM I suggest players not to abuse of data contained in GM logs even by using the bash script I've made for "grepping" those logs. Similar incident occurred while CRC was using her EC (Event Coordinator) privileges during her very first time. That lead to game and relations getting worse uselessly. Just think of that bastard of loofrewop that finally got banned but game changed a bit and no more SUSANs were spawned since then.
Remember that for a GM most of the worst work load comes directly from misbehaving community actions!

Hoping that you will keep that in mind, serious stuff ends here.

Hey Prsm! Was that a woman who drove the car with the "NO-1-GM" license plate? :mrgreen:
Kytty, Liviobot's code will not change regardless of poll results: he will always greet you saying the same thing again. :alt-5:
And, hmm...
I wonder if it's possible to give GM powers to ManaMarket in order to broadcast help requests when a low level player dies a lot of times...

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 02 Dec 2019, 15:13
by jesusalva
Livio wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 12:57
I wonder if it's possible to give GM powers to ManaMarket in order to broadcast help requests when a low level player dies a lot of times...
Entirely offtopic but: I'm pretty sure ManaMarket is actually a GM Bot; I just don't know if it can broadcast or not. (Nor if it should, you can use !irc on and use IRC if you want something similar to a broadcast though. It's how Evol2 servers - like testing and ML - make a world channel).

On-topic note: Kytty have 100% upvotes, being 31 favor and 0 against. That's a quite surprising result, to be honest. Both reaching 30 votes, as well as having 100% upvotes.

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 02 Dec 2019, 15:51
by Livio
Seems that nobody has sockpuppeted the poll so I guess that GM Polls post limit can stay on its value of 20 and this thread can successfully expire.

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 19:39
by Søren
gl :alt-5:

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 04 Dec 2019, 08:21
by WarriorPL
Livio wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 15:51
Seems that nobody has sockpuppeted the poll so I guess that GM Polls post limit can stay on its value of 20 and this thread can successfully expire.
Conclusion .. must be more active players...

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 04 Dec 2019, 13:44
by WildX
For the record, if the 45 vote limit can't be reached but there's still a lot of support for the candidate the limit COULD be bypassed. As I like to remind people, this is "community suggestions" and not "community elections".

This poll has been open for a week and Kytty still has 100% support. No credible objections and not even a single troll voting no just for fun. That's impressive.

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 04 Dec 2019, 16:22
by jesusalva
WildX wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 13:44
For the record, if the 45 vote limit can't be reached but there's still a lot of support for the candidate the limit COULD be bypassed. As I like to remind people, this is "community suggestions" and not "community elections".
I would just like to clear a possible equivoc regarding that.

As the person in question is not a TMWT member, the constitution overrules and requires a TMWT vote to add person in TMWT. This poll could fail. Then constitution says the person cannot be a GM, because every GM must be a TMWT member.

This is embodied in the form of rule #8, "the decision is still ours."
That's why this is not really an election; If the person is not voted to join TMWT they cannot become a GM, even if they had enough votes.

Partly long on-topic and off-topic rambling, read at your own risk:
Spoiler:
That being said, Constitution do create two edge cases:
  • TMWT members could, in theory, bypass TMWT poll, but would not be allowed to bypass a poll here. “To become a Game Master, a person must be voted in by the player community”. However,
  • TMWT members can always call for an internal vote. This means it is easier for a GM to be kicked than added, at all times, cases and circumstances. In other words, the above edge case is unlikely to be triggered.
  • Also, because this forum rules regulates how a person is to be voted by the player community, in theory, the requeriments (45 votes and 3:1 ratio) ARE compulsory. However,
  • We have a previous consensus decision which determined the 45 votes can be unenforceable at times (like now); And in such case, only the ratio rule is to be enforced.
  • And this decision is consesus-based, the second lowest strength of decisions. This means the immediate above level (a formal vote) could rule out this possibility at any time.
Sorry, I'm particularly chatty today.

In case someone is wondering the decision strength order, doctrine says it is:
Personal Decision < Consensus < Vote = Rules < Constitution

Which is weird, because we are not strictly following doctrine in this case. In theory, this consensus decision should have been submitted to a vote. We could instead just wander around other doctrines and use principles to say that a consensus is as strong as a vote until objections are raisen.

Which is what happens in practice. A TMWT member could claim the 45 votes limit to be unenforceable and try to have TMWT to continue the proccess (with a poll), but if someone objected the new poll, that would on itself be strong enough to put it on hold. Such objection would be done on a third poll because we love polls. Amusing enough, I think the most bureacratic internal proccess on TMWT takes exactly 3 polls. So the longest a decision should be delayed, in theory, is 21 days. Oh well, I guess I now know why TMW development is at times so slow :lol:

So, you've just got a free ramble on how doctrine says stuff should work and a analysis of the rules currently in effect and how they would affect this poll because I was bored and planned to skip lunch. Oh well.

I did add a spoiler tag. You have no one to blame but yourself for reading my rambles. :P
“Doctrine” here is a general category of knowledge. In other words, studied at universities and etc. It is not specific to TMW.

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 05 Dec 2019, 10:55
by nanoqX
I vote for kytty.

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 05 Dec 2019, 11:30
by Hocus Pocus Fidibus
WildX wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 13:44
... not even a single troll voting no just for fun.
Oh this temptation *sigh*
*hardly able to resists*
*votes yes*
*sigh*

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 07:37
by Cirno9
I vote "Yes"
Thank you!

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 20:00
by gnowun uno
Kytty has been most helpful to a player (me) that has been absent for about 10 years.
Indeed the whole community has been helpful and supporting.

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 01:55
by t3st3r
Yes! This game needs more GMs any day. And then "vote for Kytty" is probably best elections slogan I ever met :D

Re: Kytty for GM

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 16:18
by prsm
all criteria for this part of the election have been met.

Locking thread to move on to the next step!

Prsm