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whip

Posted: 03 Aug 2010, 05:00
by skipy
i got a request to post this ...cant find old one

Re: whip

Posted: 05 Aug 2010, 06:25
by skipy
this is without texture or the right color...but i think i have the movement where it needs to be

-skipy

Re: whip

Posted: 05 Aug 2010, 18:35
by Wombat
Hi skipy. Do you think this is done? I'm wanting this whip in on a quick lower level fix. I'll test the graphics for it once you feel it is ready for testing. This could be in the game as early as next week if you feel you are done with it and the graphics work out.

Re: whip

Posted: 05 Aug 2010, 23:42
by baseballboy
Whoa, I like it. Looks great!

Re: whip

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 07:06
by skipy
Wombat wrote:Hi skipy. Do you think this is done? I'm wanting this whip in on a quick lower level fix. I'll test the graphics for it once you feel it is ready for testing. This could be in the game as early as next week if you feel you are done with it and the graphics work out.
now its done (i hope) :lol: time for testing i would think..

if it needs to be worked on further let me know :mrgreen:

-skipy

Re: whip

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 11:57
by Wombat
Skipy, after some testing, I realized you use both bow and dagger attack frames for this weapon. I'll ask around and see what the possibilities of that happening are.

I really really want this weapon. It fits the weapon gap between the dagger and the scythe real good and I'm working on a low level quest release this week. It would also be the first range 2 melee weapon, which offers its own inherent advantages over all other weapons currently in the game.

Either way, if the whip could fit in this 128 pixel frame, it would help. It seems you can jump around on animation and I'll look more into it.
From: New Weapon Development
Crush wrote:Here a template for 128x128 px. This should be enough for most melee weapons:
Image

Gimp file: http://www.crushnet.org/imageshack/weap ... _128px.xcf
Animation file: http://www.crushnet.org/imageshack/weapon-128px.xml.txt

When you want other animation sequences (remember: you can use all frames of the playerset in any order) or another size - it isn't hard to create one yourself. All you have to watch out for is that all "cells" are the same size and that the player character is placed at the same position of each "cell" (the last one is not really necessary as the positioning can be corrected in the animation file, but it makes it much easier).
Edited from this post a few things as I'm learning what the possibilities are. I'll keep researching.

Re: whip

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 16:00
by Jaxad0127
No need to limit to 128 pixels.

Re: whip

Posted: 10 Aug 2010, 04:00
by skipy
Wombat wrote:Skipy, after some testing, I realized you use both bow and dagger attack frames for this weapon. I'll ask around and see what the possibilities of that happening are.

I really really want this weapon. It fits the weapon gap between the dagger and the scythe real good and I'm working on a low level quest release this week. It would also be the first range 2 melee weapon, which offers its own inherent advantages over all other weapons currently in the game.

Either way, if the whip could fit in this 128 pixel frame, it would help. It seems you can jump around on animation and I'll look more into it.


Gimp file: http://www.crushnet.org/imageshack/weap ... _128px.xcf
Animation file: http://www.crushnet.org/imageshack/weapon-128px.xml.txt

When you want other animation sequences (remember: you can use all frames of the playerset in any order) or another size - it isn't hard to create one yourself. All you have to watch out for is that all "cells" are the same size and that the player character is placed at the same position of each "cell" (the last one is not really necessary as the positioning can be corrected in the animation file, but it makes it much easier).
Edited from this post a few things as I'm learning what the possibilities are. I'll keep researching.[/quote]

here is a re-working of the whip..doing it off the old attack frames ..should be much easer to work with and i think it fixes some fitting problems i had with it..idd i like to touch this up a bit before i can say its done... but you can test it with the melee attack frames...hope this helps


--skipy

Re: whip

Posted: 10 Aug 2010, 07:28
by Wombat
We'll juggle around with the whip release sometime soon. It won't come out this week, but I'd like to get all bugs on it fixed without rushing it through. Thanks for offering an alternative version. I like the idea of flipping around the animation with varying frames, so if it can work that way, I'd like it to do so. I'll update this thread if I discover a good way to do it, as it shouldn't be too difficult to do, from what I've heard. Hopefully I didn't create any confusion with my own confusion ;)

Re: whip

Posted: 10 Aug 2010, 19:35
by mistergrey
I'm just wondering, how would this 'rate' against the other default weapons, in terms of attack speed, power, etc?

Also, the knives in this game so far all share the same attack animation as far as I can tell... so would better variations of this whip use the same animation as this one, or would it be more encouraged to modify weapon appearance in said animation?

Re: whip

Posted: 10 Aug 2010, 20:17
by Wombat
Attack speed should mimic about the same as the scythe, which is a little slower than a dagger attack. It has a range of 2 and a +45 attack, as I wrote the stats for it, which makes it less powerful than other melee weapons, but with an edge of staying out of most monster ranges while getting a more rapid attack than longer distance weapons. Also there is the advantage of no ammo and it being a strength based weapon. Basically, it is the melee weapon in between the dagger and the scythe.

When we do equipment rebalancing, it is subject to changes with all other equipment.

Re: whip

Posted: 10 Aug 2010, 21:07
by skipy
from what i can tell ((((((its done)))))..

-skipy

if it needs more let me know :mrgreen: .

Re: whip

Posted: 11 Aug 2010, 03:37
by Freeyorp101
Wombat wrote:Attack speed should mimic about the same as the scythe, which is a little slower than a dagger attack.
Uh, the scythe is the equal fastest weapon in the game right now, along with the setzer.

In more detail, most melee weapons have a type of 1 giving a base aspd of 700, the scythe and setzer have a type of 3 giving a base aspd of 600, and all bows have type 11 giving a base aspd of 900.


---Freeyorp

Re: whip

Posted: 11 Aug 2010, 10:48
by Wombat
After some discussion, the whip will have to wait because it breaks existing equipment. I'll try to keep my enthusiasm down a little so we won't feel things are done when they aren't.