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Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders ri

Posted: 31 May 2012, 19:48
by var
I'm not answering negatively.

I just asked..... a week ago and i got no answers.

Instead Today i am happy, i got tons of answers, how weird...........

Anyway i just started this, now it's time to see Arikel's will.

This is the last post for me.

Guys i leave you with this (and i hope you will think about it)

I create a parking area in my land. Then i put a sign nearby: whoever place his/her car inside this area will allow me to use it in the way i like.
Guess why you can't?

and that forum rule says exactly that.

Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders ri

Posted: 31 May 2012, 19:55
by Reid
var wrote:I'm not answering negatively.

I just asked..... a week ago and i got no answers.

Instead Today i am happy, i got tons of answers, how weird...........

Anyway i just started this, now it's time to see Arikel's will.

This is the last post for me.

Guys i leave you with this (and i hope you will think about it)

I create a parking area in my land. Then i put a sign nearby: whoever place his/her car inside this area will allow me to use it in the way i like.
Guess why you can't?

and that forum rule says exactly that.
When you go to an other land, you firstly try to inform yourself about their rules conversely to act as you wish and then, to complain.
Arikel was, and is still, well aware of how this Forum works, as he was himself a contributor of this project.

Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders ri

Posted: 31 May 2012, 20:59
by Crush
var wrote:I just asked..... a week ago and i got no answers.

Instead Today i am happy, i got tons of answers, how weird...........
I already told you the reason in my PM. When I may quote myself:
Crush wrote:It's very likely that you were not ignored - your post very likely wasn't even read by any content developers.

You posted it as the 12th post in a meaningless thread in Player Talk with an equally meaningless title of "look that". Such threads usually fall into the mental spam filter of most developers. You can't expect developers to read such threads, especially not when they are in player talk and especially not to the end when the first ten posts are devoid of any interesting content. That's why we have development forums and non-development forums - so that developers don't have to waste their time with reading meaningless chit chat.

When you would have created a new thread in a development forum you would have gotten the attention the issue deserves.
Please stop pretending that it wasn't your own fault nobody reacted to your posting.

Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders ri

Posted: 31 May 2012, 22:29
by Kandiman
var wrote:I just asked..... a week ago and i got no answers.
Please also note that responses may not be immediately forthcoming due to the time of year. This is a very busy time in real life for many people, especially those in school as the year comes to an end. As a result, they have less time available to pursue volunteer projects and respond. It's not uncommon for me to be away from the forum for more than a week before trying to catch up. This doesn't mean that I am ignoring anything, I just need to find the time to sort through it all.

Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders ri

Posted: 31 May 2012, 23:29
by arikel
You can keep the wyvern. I license it as CC0, so that GPL isn't a problem. It would have been nice to have been asked, or at least notified about it : seeing my graphics in game was all i wanted when i was trying to contribute, and it never happened as long as i was here. Now it seems some of my graphics are actually getting in game, it would still be nice to know.

Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders ri

Posted: 01 Jun 2012, 04:06
by var
arikel wrote:It would have been nice to have been asked, or at least notified about it
Gladly arikel you replied and that's the thing that i always thought while i started this..... would be nice to ask to the artist, and i point out that until today the wyvern had no license.
redshrike wrote:A simple way to do that might be a rule saying that, for any of your work to be used ingame, you have to c/p some text to the effect of "I affirm that this is my work and release this work under the GNU public license." That way you are free from ambiguities
Yup, which is why i propose to place that in the submission page.
Crush wrote: Please stop pretending that it wasn't your own fault nobody reacted to your posting.
Yep, i'm so evil that i started this because i had nothing better to do of my day.... please be serious.
Today i got answers, anyway you can go on to talk about subversioning here http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... 03#p124403 stop pretending that someone reacted to my last post there, you in particular.

Reid wrote:When you go to an other land, you firstly try to inform yourself about their rules conversely to act as you wish and then, to complain.
Arikel was, and is still, well aware of how this Forum works, as he was himself a contributor of this project.
Yup, which is why tomorrow i will make a parking area in my land, place that sign and start to sell cars since who will park there is surely aware of the rule in my land.

So now, lock this thing and to remember to ask to the artist in case the license is ambiguous.

Also thanks to the feedback of everyone outside this forum as well, a good 99% of them agreed that a post in a forum that impose a license only because you posted it is not a good practice.

Also remove me from the dev team, thanks.

Regards.

Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders ri

Posted: 01 Jun 2012, 04:13
by Big Crunch
arikel wrote:You can keep the wyvern. I license it as CC0, so that GPL isn't a problem. It would have been nice to have been asked, or at least notified about it : seeing my graphics in game was all i wanted when i was trying to contribute, and it never happened as long as i was here. Now it seems some of my graphics are actually getting in game, it would still be nice to know.
glad to see you ari! As you may or may not have noticed, development is moving forward well here. I would like to urge you to reconsider joining the project. I know that pixel artists are terribly needed and one of your caliber would be embraced, but i understand if previous issues have soured you toward contributing. Either way i wish you well and if you are lurking around in an irc channel somewhere i would love to know which one.

Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders ri

Posted: 01 Jun 2012, 16:57
by Frost
Thanks for replying here, Arikel. You're a very talented artist and in my brief time in the #ufb IRC channel, also a great guy. I'm personally sorry (and surprised) to hear your work wasn't recognized by TMW as much in the past. Hopefully -- and if you give permission -- this will change. :)

After talking with Jenalya, I replied to the Open Game Art discussion with the following:

"TMW tries hard to respect the rights and wishes of contributors, because we are contributors ourselves. Unfortunately, sometimes there is a misunderstanding. This situation was further complicated because developers come and go. Our current dev team wasn't around for whatever conflicts happened in the past.

Once we learned of the concern about his Wyvern graphic, we immediately asked Arikel whether he wished it to be included in the game, and offered to remove it. He does great work, and we're grateful he replied and has now clearly offered this for us to use.

If someone believes we use their work improperly, please contact us on our forums at http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewforum.php?f=13.
"

Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders rights

Posted: 24 Mar 2021, 02:38
by arikel

Oh my, what a trip down memory lane lol... Var you've always been such a pal, in game at first when I was such a noob, and then in forums, on IRC or anywhere else... I miss you man! My only regret is that we never could get a time or place to get a beer together!


Re: Art licensing and usage against the copyright holders rights

Posted: 09 Apr 2021, 20:43
by i

Did someone mention "beer"?