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[DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by Reid » 25 Aug 2016, 15:28

This bow will be used in a training room of the Legion building on Artis (new tmw).
I think that I am done with the icon, although I am stuck with the sprite, I don't know how to draw the bow when the player stand/walk/sit. Should it be on its shoulder? On its back?
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If I put the bow on the player's back I'm afraid that once we will add the quiver sprite it will look all wrong. Although, holding the bow on the players's hand is a bit ugly too...

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Re: [DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by WildX » 25 Aug 2016, 16:44

Quivers would have to hold an absurd and unrealistic amount of arrows, look weird on the player's back and require to be filled up with arrows all the time. Maybe the solution is to do away with quivers entirely and introduce a new concept, such as Mana-Arrows? Shooting a bow requires the player to use up their Mana to create solid arrows that they can shoot. This is The Mana World after all, it would make sense to extend Mana usage to non-magic users as well.
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Re: [DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by Reid » 25 Aug 2016, 17:01

WildX wrote:Quivers would have to hold an absurd and unrealistic amount of arrows, look weird on the player's back and require to be filled up with arrows all the time. Maybe the solution is to do away with quivers entirely and introduce a new concept, such as Mana-Arrows? Shooting a bow requires the player to use up their Mana to create solid arrows that they can shoot. This is The Mana World after all, it would make sense to extend Mana usage to non-magic users as well.
Adding a mana on every words won't make them looks good. :P
Some game just doesn't care about the "unrealistic amount" part, look at the elder scroll or even GTA with their 10k ammunition for each weapon, maybe we should follow them.
Elvano shown me this: http://www.glennlroberts.com/www.tsj.ca ... le-pic.jpg
It could looks fine, what do you think?

Also, about using mana else than in magic, I believe that we can already consume some points of mana when we use a skill.
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Re: [DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by WildX » 25 Aug 2016, 17:10

If that can fit on the sprite, then sure. Otherwise the only other solution I can think of is not having quivers.
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Re: [DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by EJlol » 25 Aug 2016, 20:21

I can only find a few real life pictures of it. The examples I found all look like this:

http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/ ... quiver.JPG

Notice that unlike the picture of Elvano, the bow and arrow are in the same diagonal direction. I think it will be otherwise quite hard to walk with it, because of the weight distribution. However on the game sprite the difference between the bow and the quiver might not be too clear that way, and in that case, Elvano's picture would be better.
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Re: [DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by omatt » 25 Aug 2016, 22:14

The problem is 'stand' is not 'pause'. When you run and hit with mobs (the common hunt for an archer in tmw), you switch targets.
Then, if between you switch targets the bow replace in your back, that can be weird. You can see the bow jongle back to hand and hand to back everytime.
A little problem, or maybe not a problem. Just a habit to get.

So yes, that can be cool to has that, like when you move in town, talk with players ect, always the bow in your back.
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Re: [DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by Reid » 26 Aug 2016, 03:24

omatt wrote:The problem is 'stand' is not 'pause'. When you run and hit with mobs (the common hunt for an archer in tmw), you switch targets.
Then, if between you switch targets the bow replace in your back, that can be weird. You can see the bow jongle back to hand and hand to back everytime.
A little problem, or maybe not a problem. Just a habit to get.

So yes, that can be cool to has that, like when you move in town, talk with players ect, always the bow in your back.
Another problem is that when you hit (without moving), the animation does like this:
Attack frame 1, ..., n
Stand frame
Attack frame 1, ..., n
etc...
So the bow might pop up on the back of the player when he is attacking... I'm not 100% sure about this though, but this is possible if the agility is very low.

@EJ: yep, the quiver and bow on the same direction might look visually wrong... Although, we could use a darker color for the quiver.
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Re: [DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by EJlol » 26 Aug 2016, 08:21

Wouldn't it be possible to modify the client so that weapons have 2 'modes'? One is the fighting modus, and the other is the walking modus. When the player is fighting, the weapon stays in the hand. And after ~20-30 seconds or so after fighting, the weapon goes to the walking modus. For bows this could mean on the back, for swords this could mean into a scabbard, etc. This does mean drawing more sprites for each weapon though :roll:
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Re: [DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by Reid » 27 Aug 2016, 05:26

I've done it fast, it's not awesome but it's still better than our 10y/o arrow icon IMO.
I had some trouble on the shape of the head (and the wood part), it's not that great but at 6am I won't be able to do anything better. :) (I listen to any advice on it, I'm pretty bad on small iron objects).
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Re: [DIS][WIP] Training Bow

Post by WildX » 27 Aug 2016, 11:51

EJlol wrote:Wouldn't it be possible to modify the client so that weapons have 2 'modes'? One is the fighting modus, and the other is the walking modus. When the player is fighting, the weapon stays in the hand. And after ~20-30 seconds or so after fighting, the weapon goes to the walking modus. For bows this could mean on the back, for swords this could mean into a scabbard, etc. This does mean drawing more sprites for each weapon though :roll:
I like this idea, I think this would be the best way to do it.
Reid wrote:I've done it fast, it's not awesome but it's still better than our 10y/o arrow icon IMO.
I had some trouble on the shape of the head (and the wood part), it's not that great but at 6am I won't be able to do anything better. :) (I listen to any advice on it, I'm pretty bad on small iron objects).
The tip is very shiny :? Otherwise it's good :>
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