Re: serious proposal to make ManaPlus the only official clie
Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 01:09
Ah good to know 4144
Feel the mana power growing inside you!
https://forums.themanaworld.org/
That's true for many of us. I am sure that 4144 is aware of it and has an eye,and an ear (at least) on the problemcody wrote:Just to state the obvious: Those repositories brought almost all of us here.
If the evol server will be set to a better place than it is now, TMW, TMW-test are in the Start-up screen. Thus even in the actual situation it is likely that there is no significant change.By switching to the evol client, new players will go to evol. Which is actually the better choice for them, since evol's website isn't dead and it has a much nicer starting place
Having an official client means that the client features are used as reference, thus that any other client may have to include them if it pretends to be compatible with game. It means too that server developers, content developers and client ones have tight relations to ensure consistency. But it also means that all client's features are guaranteed to be inside the rules. A client which has extra features could be considered as "illegal".Why does there have to be only one official client? Why not none?
If I understand it well, this means that auto-follow (and I think automation features such as crazy moves) is not forbidden as long as it is not used to gain more experience and items that you could do alone, and to annoy other players.Platyna wrote:There is no rule forbidding following other players. There is a rule preventing to annoy players and to use automation to gain advantage over other players which is unfair. If a GM suspects botting, s/he is supposed to execute a standard ...
@o11c:o11c wrote:Recent discussions have made it quite clear that the people working on Mana - currently our official client - do not care at all about support for the tmwa server. Instead, they care about their eternally "almost done" ManaServ.
That's a pity that we don't hear your voice more, even if "virtual" as I always found your advice inreresting, balanced and respectful to those who have different opinion than yours.Bertram wrote:I thought, even if I'm now just a ghost for many people, that I would open my virtual mouth, for once.
Enough wise persons have left. Please stay.[...]people go away, including myself
You earned it.unknown author wrote:You earn respect by how you live, not by what you demand.
I'm making progress. Slow, since I'm the only one, but I have fixed a number of bugs and/or limitations.Bertram wrote:@o11c:o11c wrote:Recent discussions have made it quite clear that the people working on Mana - currently our official client - do not care at all about support for the tmwa server. Instead, they care about their eternally "almost done" ManaServ.
Isn't the "o11c eAthena server port to c++ with new features" "eternally almost done" as well, btw? Stop messing everybody about the mana devs, this is just pitiful and makes people go away, including myself.
Yep, and your hard work is appreciated by all of us manaworld users. I speak for myself and for Aeli, and I'm sure many others agree that all people working on this deserve a big thanks.o11c wrote:I'm making progress. Slow, since I'm the only one, but I have fixed a number of bugs and/or limitations.Bertram wrote:@o11c:o11c wrote:Recent discussions have made it quite clear that the people working on Mana - currently our official client - do not care at all about support for the tmwa server. Instead, they care about their eternally "almost done" ManaServ.
Isn't the "o11c eAthena server port to c++ with new features" "eternally almost done" as well, btw? Stop messing everybody about the mana devs, this is just pitiful and makes people go away, including myself.
(The server *is* already running the C++ version btw)
Good to hear. And the mana dev team, roughly speaking, has participated to a challenge the past summer using manaserv and a modified client.o11c wrote:I'm making progress. Slow, since I'm the only one, but I have fixed a number of bugs and/or limitations.
(The server *is* already running the C++ version btw)
Hi and a Happy New Year to you and your closings.Nard wrote:Hello Bertram and happy new year.
Thanks for your support, Nard. I do appreciate it. You're right. Let's not repeat the elitist mistake of refusing good work when we see some. ManaPlus is defacto the client to use, with some little fixes. We should all work together using this for the players.Nard wrote:That's a pity that we don't hear your voice more, even if "virtual" as I always found your advice inreresting, balanced and respectful to those who have different opinion than yours.
I personnally do think that mana client, mana source, TMW, and at last many of TMW forks suffered from the multiple splits that such a small project cannot afford. Mana source has been cut from it's main source of fresh "meat" and feedback: players. This is, in my opinion due to the lack of respect that occured in many occasions here on forum and, I suppose on IRC too. But this is another topic. I just wish, because this project (or family of projects) is able to draw lessons from the past and will not repeat the same errors.
The evol server code is currently not published (the public git is outdated a lot). So I am not sure how working together works nicely there. But of course Bertram is right about working together.Bertram wrote: I'm even sure o11c could retake or even improve certain evolserver features to the tA-server, and even better, look at making a transition to a common server with new features, whatever it is.
Let's say July 1, 2013 officially, though it will likely still function somewhat after that.Ablu wrote:How long will the mana client be supported?