GM Silent Dawn: attitude to players and rules

[Axalix]

Two players were auto-following and mimic in the city. One of them with name "research". See what happened in a moment:

[Silent Dawn]

You forgot the rest.. how convenient.

[Axalix]

You forgot the rest.. how convenient.

Rest? You mean my comment that I am having fun? Yes, I am having fun while playing TMW, otherwise I would never login.

[Silent Dawn]

You forgot the rest.. how convenient.

Rest? You mean my comment that I am having fun? Yes, I am having fun while playing TMW, otherwise I would never login.

No, the comment about the fact that if they were taking any advantage in game by following each other, i would be the first one to tell them to stop.

And the comment was not for you... it was for them, they were having fun by fooling around, not harming anyone. Rules are rules, yes, but let's not jump on players for such situations.. you dont need to remind me of the rules, i'm well aware of them.

[prsm]

I am guilty of this also, judgement calls are judgment calls.

Since this is not abuse I will be moving to player talk.

[Axalix]

I am guilty of this also

Then may be it is time to change this rule and add an exception like: "Following and mimic are allowed if player controls the game and can respond to GMs by request during 30 seconds" or so? What's the point to have rules if they don't work 100%? For example, I used to like to follow people when they are showing me a path to the place, but after those changes in understanding "botting" I never use this option of the Mana+ client, because it is against rules.

[o11c]

Axalix, one of the reasons we broke up with Platyna was because we trusted our GMs to be able to think.

Trying to enforce the literal interpretation of the rules all the time was the reason we had such a huge botting problem a couple years ago.

[Axalix]

Trying to enforce the literal interpretation of the rules all the time was the reason we had such a huge botting problem a couple years ago.

All right, so can you confirm that "auto-following" is OK?

[prsm]

Auto follow can be used under certain circumstances.

It can't be used to gain xp or abuse others. That was always my interpretation of the rule. Mind you, at the start we made a strict no auto follow rule to limit its use.

But the final determination whether its used properly will be left up to the GM!

[Axalix]

It's either you don't understand my question or I can't clarify what I am asking. ok, lets try this way. I am not about auto-attacking, I am about following ("to walk") or mimic ("repeat turns and smiles"). In what case (I want examples) any of those "can be used to gain xp or abuse others"? Just once again, I am about standard functionality of the TMW client.

Second, I don't like how the abusive / impolite GM's answer "ban them then if you can" is ignored in this conversation.

[o11c]

Because nothing productive can come of this discussion, only drama.

[Axalix]

ok, it's over then - anyway, I am run out of posts on this forum for today after 6 years...

[ChefChelios]

kindergarten

[WildX]

GMs are not mindless drones, they can judge a situation and decide if they should take action or not. Doing this actually enhances the game rules by ensuring that the fun-killing is kept to a minimum when maintaining order. I use big words when I'm tired.

[Hello=)]

There are actions. And there are results. The goal is obviously to reduce harmful actions and minimize resulting negative effects (e.g. botting and resulting unfair advantages). But I still think rules should be amended to make it more clear, since it appears to be actual state of things anyway (and I'm ok with this, I don't want to see mindless drones instead of GMs).