Freeyorp101 wrote: ↑
09 Mar 2019, 04:01
I am not interested in whether anyone believes this was rude, disrespectful, a bad decision, an unpopular decision, or other such subjective things, only that full authority to make that decision existed. Everyone must form their own opinions about subjective, emotionally charged matters to their own satisfaction.
That's very unfortunate. It matters. When Platyna ran the game, over 100 were online at a time, in a regular fashion. Now, just six years later, there are often zero online. I guess the players voted with their feet. The community didn't like it, either.
The heisting hoodlums, Frost and o11c, don't even want to be associated with the project anymore, and are not listed as advisers, even. Those were your saviors. Bully for you. (Edit: I see now that Frost is technically listed as an adviser, but he hasn't been on this board since Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:35 pm, so ... yeah. Same difference.)
TMWC actions directly led to a chain of events that destroyed player confidence in the game and its management, and basically wiped out the player population over time. The community was split, dispirited, and both servers wound up deserted of players. A house divided against itself cannot stand, and fall it did.
The online player population was in the single digits before Platyna, during Playna's rule it rose to over 100, and now, in her absence, it is back down to single digits. You can dance about with all kinds of fancy explanations, but Occam's razor
tells us that the simplest most obvious explanation is the best. Kept "under her thumb" by the "cutter of hands", yet somehow just a host? Not bloody likely. Popular or not, she was damn good at what she did, which was to attract and retain a community of players to play her iteration of TMW on Platinum. She put her heart and soul into it. A lot of devs tend to undervalue the community of players, and what specific skill-set it takes to keep them, having instead a "only staff matters" "meritocracy" attitude; but Platyna put the players first, and they responded with loyalty. I remember well my own experience back in 2007; Platyna was the only staff I ever saw, and she was busy hosting Christmas give-away events, and making sure we all had what we needed. I have read that many staff did not feel the same way, but I am speaking as a player, which is also relevant.
Freeyorp101 wrote: ↑
09 Mar 2019, 04:01
Firstly, inactivity does not confer ownership in any case.
Inactivity matters plenty, since you judged Platyna by the same standard. She wasn't available to reply or to fix for a period of some months, so you saw fit to depose her. I am simply exposing the blatant hypocrisy of that thinking by demonstrating that Bjorn and Elven were unavailable for longer, but because the "revolutionary mediocracy" (intentional) didn't like Platyna, they judged her by a different standard. As far as I am concerned, Platyna took provisional control of "eathena@ account" in the absence of Bjorn and Elven, in order to preserve the live project in which she had invested so much of her own time and creative energy. She has sole jurisdiction of the Platinum machine, she ran the TMW iteration on "eathena@ account" in the absence of Bjorn and Elven, so the output of data belongs to her. You can stand on your head, plant it in the ground, and wave your legs in the air like an onion, for all I care, and it will not change my opinion. You present a lot of your own opinion as if fact, but until a judge agrees with it, it will remain only that, opinion. In the meanwhile, one does not trespass onto another person's machine, and copy files against their permission, and keep and use them without a judge's ruling, except you TMWC have all done exactly that, in one form or another, either directly, or by association.
When O.J. Simpson took what he believed to be his, by force of trespass
, he went to jail for that. You're not allowed to behave that way. Period. If you wanted those files so badly, then you should have petitioned the court for permission to take them, and not used unauthorized trespass instead.
Access to Platyna's machine was authorized for back-ups, roll-back restorations, and repository commits. It was unauthorized access and illegal trespass to misuse that access to heist data off the machine and use it elsewhere. If I give you the keys to my apartment, because you need a place to stay, that does not give you permission to rob the place. I guess she wasn't "merely a host" after all, eh? I get that you have legitimate dispute with this opinion, but the appropriate remedy is through the courts. You do not get to take matters into your own hands, and just take what you want, regardless of what you believe.
O.J. Simpson found that out the hard way. Vigilante justice has no place in civilized society.
Bjorn and Elven were very clever. Frost and o11c actually planned and executed the data heist, Bjorn and Elven very discreetly merely nodded their consent from what they hoped was a safe distance. Why do you suppose that was? Just as others do not have the right to use your game account in most MORPGs I have ever seen (including TMW), Frost and o11c were not authorized to access Platinum in that manner, for that reason, no matter what Bjorn or Elven may have told them, and the rest of you TMWC are not entitled to benefit materially from those endeavors, until a judge rules in your favor.
Furthermore, Poland is an EU member, and in 2013 (at the time of the data heist), was subject to the EU's Data Protection Directive, which would have required TMWC to seek permission from the appropriate EU channels before moving player's personal data to the USA. So congratulations on breaching law internationally, as well.
P.S. I don't know why you keep dredging up 2009 IRC conversations to explain why Platyna was deposed in 2013, 4 years later. I actually have nech to thank for noticing this specifically; who knew a ghost could be useful? I checked pages 58 to 63 of this unwieldy monstrosity, and all of your IRC pulls from this most recent go-round are 2009. Heck, Frost and o11c hadn't even joined the game by then, let alone gotten themselves embedded in Platyna's GHP staff. Revisionist history at its finest, I guess.
P.P.S. One thing that is clearly demonstrated by the 2009 IRC conversations, is that Platyna was unwilling to let anyone except Bjorn have access to the eathena@ account, in fact, that was the source of many of the arguments, by your own observations. People were pulled off access to eathena@ account, by Platyna, for going even the tiniest bit off-script in their behaviors or duties, and Platyna clearly had, maintained, and exercised this power, as owner of the Platinum machine. From this, it clearly follows that Frost and o11c had access only for the limited purposes of back-ups, roll-back recovery, and repository commits, and were in absolutely no way authorized to do anything more with their access, certainly not to heist the data and move it to another machine, and that it was not the place of Bjorn or Elven to tell them otherwise, as per clear precedent already laid down by Platyna in dealing with eathena@ account access, going back to 2009. Frost and o11c knew this, as well, and even spoke of their own worries, should they have gotten caught in the process. So again, the proper remedy would have been for the TMWC to petition the courts for their copyright claim, knowing full well that vigilante trespass was not permitted on Platinum's eathena@ account, by order of Platyna, the undisputed owner of the machine. The improper remedy was to take whatever you wanted regardless, by whatever method, by whomever's access, and TMWC is not entitled to profit from that, until a court might rule in your favor.