Original TMW server at themanaworld.net

[prsm]

its too bad you never once talked to me when i was a gm.
I am older than most, over 50. Perhaps you didn't know that.
I have always enjoyed the game, i have nothing to gain here!

You seem to be blinded by anger, the game was taken from you! it wasn't.
The game just grew on. You were busy and missed it. That doesn't make you
bad, or evil. Things move on ...... Instead of attacking so vehemently, please
read and reread what people have said. It can be hard to listen to criticism, but
not all is bad.

it would be nice to have everyone working together, fighting is such a waste of
energy!

If it is all about the game, hope you will see that!

Prsm (the old man)

[Platyna]

its too bad you never once talked to me when i was a gm.
I am older than most, over 50. Perhaps you didn't know that.
I have always enjoyed the game, i have nothing to gain here!

You seem to be blinded by anger, the game was taken from you! it wasn't.
The game just grew on. You were busy and missed it. That doesn't make you
bad, or evil. Things move on ...... Instead of attacking so vehemently, please
read and reread what people have said. It can be hard to listen to criticism, but
not all is bad.

it would be nice to have everyone working together, fighting is such a waste of
energy!

If it is all about the game, hope you will see that!

Prsm (the old man)

Prsm, I am not angry, I am outraged. Is that suprising? I am glad that at least you are not trying to insult me like BigCrunch or Narus.

And yes, we have never talked. You could talk with me if you wanted but you didn't.

Anyway original server is up, you are welcome to join.

Regards.

[prsm]

to this old guy outraged and angry are the same thing! That's me being me!
I won't say you could have talked to me also, that means little now.

I will say this, (and its words for me also), am I moving the game forward?
i know that's subjective, we all think we do good! Sometimes the good we
do isn't good. What really counts is the game.

I see people getting hurt, i see hurtful statements on both sides. Does that help the game? Nope!

Do I think you can help the game, yes.

Do I think (and once again this is my humble opinion) that role needs to be changed, yes!

Life changes, games change, we have to change with it!

Could I be wrong, of course, I dont know everything.....


But i do care about the game. Saying that, in the immortal words of Rodney King "can we not just get along?"

[Platyna]

to this old guy outraged and angry are the same thing! That's me being me!
I won't say you could have talked to me also, that means little now.

I will say this, (and its words for me also), am I moving the game forward?
i know that's subjective, we all think we do good! Sometimes the good we
do isn't good. What really counts is the game.
I see people getting hurt, i see hurtful statements on both sides. Does that help the game? Nope!
Do I think you can help the game, yes.
Do I think (and once again this is my humble opinion) that role needs to be changed, yes!
Life changes, games change, we have to change with it!
Could I be wrong, of course, I dont know everything.....
But i do care about the game. Saying that, in the immortal words of Rodney King "can we not just get along?"

Be resonable prsm, I will not let TMW end up in hands of abusive kids. Maybe it is just a game, but it is pretty nice game with nice people and it cost me (and many others) too much time and effort to just leave it like that. I am not going to repeat myself.

Regards.

[prsm]

okay, its me again, the old man.
I wont ask you to repeat yourself, but you have to give a little trust to the rest of us.
It is a great game, and yes, we all put time into it.

Not one of us wants it to fail, yes we have had issues with people in the past, heck you banned me from being a gm for a month. People need to see the light, and when they rebound they fight for the greater good.

Slicer/Madcamel isnt the same man that played before, and 011c wears his heart on his sleeve, so do you! That will make this game great. Lets not drag it down .... lets make it good!

Let's work together!

[Platyna]

okay, its me again, the old man.
I wont ask you to repeat yourself, but you have to give a little trust to the rest of us.
It is a great game, and yes, we all put time into it.

If I didn't put trust in those people the putsch would be impossible to conduct, unfortunately I did, they abused my trust.

Not one of us wants it to fail, yes we have had issues with people in the past, heck you banned me from being a gm for a month. People need to see the light, and when they rebound they fight for the greater good.

I have banned you for breaking the rules at apply especially to GMs.

Slicer/Madcamel isnt the same man that played before, and 011c wears his heart on his sleeve, so do you! That will make this game great. Lets not drag it down .... lets make it good!
Let's work together!

I do not believe on magical transformation, especially when I was called a stalinistic Cute Kitten or something and my DNS server was DoSed when themanaworld.net domain was refreshing, all by the first one, while the second divided the community just because I did not agreed to make him a GM (now I get mutiple reports that he still was using GM commands against players).

Be resonable prsm. An admin needs a flawless reputation, these people doesn't have it.

Regards.

[prsm]

I don't have wonderful answers to this!

I can't make us see a string of truth, or light or honesty!

I do know the fighting is not helping the game, I would rather bow out for the game than name call to win.

We all own mistakes, I am just the only putsch that owns that!

[Tiana]

I will never agree for developers to have GM powers. It is harmful for the project. Developers are to develop things, not to be overlords.

That's a pity as I heard Chicka-Maria was coming along nicely with some development work she was doing. But as your new GM on your server she will not be allowed to grow those skills and add to your content.

Yes, Tiana, like you need a title to do useful contributions. Don't forget to add that I am stalinistic Cute Kitten, like certain "admins".

Regards.

Thank you for clarifying that by starting as a GM on your server people can create content and make development contributions, but that if they start with creating content and making development contributions they cannot become a GM. You should make your players aware of this loophole so that the issues encountered in the past here by people like Chicka and tux9th no longer occur.

[Crush]

Let's work together!

I think that this conflict has escalated so far that a cooperative solution seems no longer possible to me.

Currently, I see three possible outcomes:

* A TMW with an active development- and GM team, but without Platyna
* A TMW done by Platyna alone with no development team or GMs
* No TMW at all

Which of these outcomes will happen depends on who the players will support.

[Nard]

* No TMW at all

Seeing the majority of the forum contributions, my feeling is that we are running in that direction.

[Platyna]

Let's work together!

I think that this conflict has escalated so far that a cooperative solution seems no longer possible to me.

Currently, I see three possible outcomes:

* A TMW with an active development- and GM team, but without Platyna
* A TMW done by Platyna alone with no development team or GMs
* No TMW at all

Which of these outcomes will happen depends on who the players will support.

If o11c would leave TMW it would just make it better.

And I don't think all contributors would leave, most of them are wise people, who just want to work on TMW also several people volunteered to work on themanaworld.net.

If someone would leave it means that they think more about themselves and their private ambitions and petty wars than on wellbeing of TMW.

Developers has no right to influence the fact who runs the GPL'd sofware and on what server, especially thay shouldn't use their skills to blackmail service providers or domain owners (famous quote: "if you return the domain to Platyna there will be no more content updates"). While this is what was done such people are harmful to the project, we don't need them here.

If they want a server they should make their own, with own content not copy mine, without my permission and behind my back.

And don't talk about cooperation, as no one ever proposed me any cooperation I was just kicked out without any notice, and this is that point you are talking about Crush.

We were fine many years without abusers and blackmailers in our team.

Anyway "If X will be a server admin and Y will be not I will leave." How old you people are? Three? Four?

Regards.

[Matt]

Heh, somehow I thought this was a great april fool. But the server actually went live oO

[Axalix]

How old you people are? Three? Four?

And then you are surprised why so many people are against you?

Crush, where can I read forum rules about what is allowed and what is not?

[o11c]

Crush, where can I read forum rules about what is allowed and what is not?

When not logged in, http://forums.themanaworld.org/ucp.php?mode=register

there are also stickies/announcements in various forums.

[Lt. KLAG [24th.KDF]]

We were fine many years without abusers and blackmailers in our team.

Remember this ?


I'm not sure most "old players" consider those years of "The Blind leading the blinds" Principle to be such good times depending upon the "This is not a Democracy" Rule ...