Dropping or making conditional the English in general rule

[nm0i]

It's irrelevant what' you'll vote.

Rule is not enforced as well as its enforcing currently seen as unfair GM action, when it happens, and it happens rarely because of GM coverage, despite of what other stats may say.

Also it is vote of oldies and forum lurkers. Sorry, though you may think you represent majority (or even some relevant portion) of players, it is not true.

At this point, you can freely ignore this rule and it is freely ignored, especially outside of hurnscald seaters area of influence.

[o11c]

Also it is vote of oldies and forum lurkers. Sorry, though you may think you represent majority (or even some relevant portion) of players, it is not true.

I ran the following query:

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mysql> select from_unixtime(phpbb3_users.user_regdate) from (phpbb3_poll_votes JOIN phpbb3_users ON phpbb3_poll_votes.vote_user_id = phpbb3_users.user_id ) where phpbb3_poll_votes.topic_id = 18282 order by phpbb3_users.user_regdate;

... and without revealing too much, I think I can safely say that the median date is in 2011, *after* I joined the forums. I don't count as an oldie yet, do I?

Even if all the people who joined before that voted to keep the rule, it would *still* be a majority among the other half.

At this point, you can freely ignore this rule and it is freely ignored, especially outside of hurnscald seaters area of influence.

the rule *does* include the phrase "in public", you know ...

[nm0i]

3 years? Oldie for sure.

Thank you for revealing you're affected by knowing who voted here. Nice to know some idiot wächter is responsible for life of the game.

And Important is first part. Like I told, you can freely speak any language in any part of the game 16 hours a day, without significant risk of being reported, and 8 hours a day without chance to be reported at all.

[Cassy]

Na na na let's keep calm.

It's indeed a problem people voting are "oldies", some/many of them maybe not even playing actively.
That's why we should do @broadcasts more often, advertising for the certain polls or the forum itself (of course not too often, spam-like).

@olli: You're old. Very old. Sorry to say

[WildX]

It's irrelevant what' you'll vote.

Rule is not enforced as well as its enforcing currently seen as unfair GM action, when it happens, and it happens rarely because of GM coverage, despite of what other stats may say.

Also it is vote of oldies and forum lurkers. Sorry, though you may think you represent majority (or even some relevant portion) of players, it is not true.

At this point, you can freely ignore this rule and it is freely ignored, especially outside of hurnscald seaters area of influence.

The vote still gives you an insight into what the response to this proposal may be, the reasons that we're giving are still valid. The situation regarding this rule have not changed since I last played. Although someone said Spanish is TMW's second language when I remember it being Portoguese

[veryape]

for example if a gm is two 2 people speaking another language gives them just for that ban
but not every insult or speak badly

Sure, but the problem is how should a GM know if your insulting each other or talking about the weather?
(Also you don't get banned immediatelly, just "warned" )

Why should GM give a ****?

Example: two guys are training in caves by themselves and speaking some language. Then a GM appears and forces them to speak English.

That sounds so Duck up to me.

It is the gm's choice to enforce the rule, if i spot two people speaking whatever language amongst themselves while training on snakes in the snake pit i would not enforce.

If i see two people speaking a language that is not english where there is other people around I remind them to speak english in public. If i have reminded people many times I might have to help them remember by kicking them. But if you check the gm logs you will see that it is not a huge issue and that people are rarely kicked for it.


And to those that feel discriminated, I don't have english as my mothers tounge. You can always join partys/guilds with people that speak the same language as you do and talk freely there. We have nothing against it, actually us gm's would be glad to help you start a guild for this purpose.

[nm0i]

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And to those that feel discriminated, I don't have english as my mothers tounge. You can always join partys/guilds with people that speak the same language as you do and talk freely there. We have nothing against it, actually us gm's would be glad to help you start a guild for this purpose.

Well, if you DESIRE to be discriminated, I can not do anything but to support your desires.

As of GM enforcement and etc., you may enforce anything, but even your bans will not have statistical effect.

[nm0i]

The vote still gives you an insight into what the response to this proposal may be, the reasons that we're giving are still valid. The situation regarding this rule have not changed since I last played. Although someone said Spanish is TMW's second language when I remember it being Portoguese :P

Absolutely not. Forumers never represented anyone but themselves.

[WildX]

The vote still gives you an insight into what the response to this proposal may be, the reasons that we're giving are still valid. The situation regarding this rule have not changed since I last played. Although someone said Spanish is TMW's second language when I remember it being Portoguese

Absolutely not. Forumers never represented anyone but themselves.

We played the game. We experienced language barries. We survived it.

[Relm]

Sometimes I can understand what people are saying better in their native language, that I don't know, better than in English, because so much is lost in poor attempts at translation. Also, often GMs and other players cannot understand me or even recognize the language when I write in very casual English, like attempts at ebonics, regional dialects or poor spelling and grammar.

[Siegfried]

Hi,

i read all this (and another discussion similar to this one) and thought again. I came to the conclusion that either keeping rule 5 as it is or dropping it completely, are both not optimal.

First i'd like to say that simply ignoring an existing rule is no good idea.

Then: I'd like to officially tolerate any conversation in any language in public as well as private, with the exception of official talk. Any official talk, including official GM conversation should be in english. Other languages could be tolerated if agreed on both sides. So this would mean to not drop but modify rule 5.

Insulting players in any language is only insulting if the receiver understands it. If so, he/she may or should complain. In that case a GM could use google translator (or similar) to check if it really was insulting. If it was not understood, than it was just some noise without meaning.

[Octopus]

I say keep it as it is a rule, and there is already very little rules.
There are also other servers for some different languages so they don't have to go on the English server when there would be a Brazilian one they could easy refer to.

[Meicchi]

I say keep it as it is a rule, and there is already very little rules.
There are also other servers for some different languages so they don't have to go on the English server when there would be a Brazilian one they could easy refer to.

Nope, the Brazilian server doesn't exist anymore. And it's been more than a year. (I was willing to raise hands and get over the former work myself but you see I'm not having time even for taking care of our wiki and even playing in the last weeks - moreover I'm sticking here exactly because I don't have all the experience I need for the job and well, main server does need more hands before thinking of any other servers, we all know that). I wonder if German server still exists as well.

However having server-side translation support as in Evol will be a huge improvement for whatever language people talk, if we just have translators to go through. Just eager to get my hands over this on new TMW-Herc server.

Just for acknowledgement: brazilian server content was way different than main content so they were quite different games. Anyway we must agree (for distinct reasons) that there is no need to change the rule as-is.

[Cassy]

I wonder if German server still exists as well.

It does but no development, no administration for years.