Are you calling us names again? didn't our whole conversation started because of names calling?blackrazor wrote: Grow up already and start acting like adults.
Why don't you direct Platyna's attitude?
I won't stop 4144 if he wants to do it.
Are you calling us names again? didn't our whole conversation started because of names calling?blackrazor wrote: Grow up already and start acting like adults.
And that is exactly why the project needs a single responsible leader. So the current nebulous leadership mass cannot say: "It's not me, it's someone else responsible." At least with Platyna, the buck stopped with her, and we knew where to address ourselves to someone who was an adult and always made herself responsible for everything that ran on her Platinum server. With her it was never "I can't do it, it's someone else."; it was always: "I am responsible. And the answer is yes (or no)."SriNitayanda wrote:Are you calling us names again? didn't our whole conversation started because of names calling?blackrazor wrote: Grow up already and start acting like adults.
Why don't you direct Platyna's attitude?
I won't stop 4144 if he wants to do it.
Exactly! Not Madcamel or OVH. But if the SOLE AUTHORITY also happens to be hosting, that is fine, at it was in Platyna's case. Being host doesn't preclude you from having SOLE AUTHORITY, it just doesn't define it. Being the dictator / queen / "cutter of hands" / final arbiter / etc. ... now THAT sounds like SOLE AUTHORITY to me, and that was Platyna on Platinum.wushin wrote:blackrazor wrote:Not the host
I thought you were an advocate for division of powers and roles.blackrazor wrote:Things were better here for many months after o11c left. Everyone was careful to keep within their bounds and respect their limits. And I had only good things to say about it, too. But lately, things have taken a darker turn, with staff again acting outside their comfort zones. And similar reasons that o11c used to give are again bubbling to the surface. Things like blaming the community for not being more involved, or blaming us for not testing / seeing the changes, with really no regard to how the current system really reinforces a behavior of apathy except for a select few. Perhaps it's an unavoidable circle of behavior in humans. But really, it is nothing personal on my part, and I will point it out when I see it. I see that as my service to the community of players, with no disrespect intended.
Yes I am. For employees. I'm also for a single strong leader who is responsible for when things go wrong. Your team is missing such a leader, and nebulous rulings (where it is always somebody else responsible) is the result. There is no final person anyone can go to in order to obtain a definitive ruling, instead we can be passed around like a hot potato forever because nobody wants to deal with it. You replaced a monarchy with a bureaucracy and this is only better for the bureaucrats.SriNitayanda wrote:I thought you were an advocate for division of powers and roles.blackrazor wrote:Things were better here for many months after o11c left. Everyone was careful to keep within their bounds and respect their limits. And I had only good things to say about it, too. But lately, things have taken a darker turn, with staff again acting outside their comfort zones. And similar reasons that o11c used to give are again bubbling to the surface. Things like blaming the community for not being more involved, or blaming us for not testing / seeing the changes, with really no regard to how the current system really reinforces a behavior of apathy except for a select few. Perhaps it's an unavoidable circle of behavior in humans. But really, it is nothing personal on my part, and I will point it out when I see it. I see that as my service to the community of players, with no disrespect intended.
Is the Bunny under gpl? I have those files and would like to use them.pateame wrote:¿Can you please delete my forum's account?players do not own their data, but yes, they are made free to delete it
You owned the forum's SQL database with my password hash on it, I think it's stealing and I don't want to be part of this anymore.
I never registered in .org forums, actually It took me like 2 years to realize what happened with TMW's DNS situation after I returned to the game just because I didn't read the flamewars. I dont want to waste my pixelarts with you anymore, so please also remove the bunny monster from your repos: I never said "Yes, push it on git and don't use it, just store it as garbage like the meway's duck"... It's a shame all the pixelartists are gone from your ego world, but now I understand them better.
There is data and data in this case.wushin wrote: The project, accounts and server existed before platinum and Platyna. Therefore the "Creator, Enterprise, Compiler, Funder, Decoder, Packager, Reader as owner, Licenser as Owner" of the data is the software or the project. Simpler terms: The Data's sole basis for existence is owed to the project. Thus the project owns the data and the consumers (players) own the data they use to play the game (accounts).
The "consumer" of the data is the player. (we obviously respect privacy laws of other countries and will purge your private data)
Because everything is already settled, by using the project and its forks and by the relationship they have with each other.Paradigm of Ownership – Loshin (2002) alludes to the complexity of ownership issues by identifying the range of possible paradigms used to claim data ownership.
You should be aware that you changed the project meaning.SriNitayanda wrote:4144 was always this authority you seek of his client, the devs collaborate with him, ask him to make changes etc... but he got the final word. even if its the official client its still a separate project, even back in 2012 it was the none official/official client, you didn't meet people with the old mana client.
We won't stop 4144 and we won't ask him to do it. How is it our responsibility to ask or to decide something that is between 4144 and Platyna? isn't Platyna avoiding responsibility by not asking herself?
who care?blackrazor wrote:The server list shouldn't be controlled by the client. It should be part of the update server under project control.
P.S. The update server should serve the IPs of all available servers, not just the ones you like. It should be an additive (not destructive) update, so server IPs that the user enters into his client manually are also maintained.
At least I didn't call you steaming piles, like Wushin did, but it seems you are okay with that, you say nothing in the forums about it, right? Oh but right, he's in power, just like you. Cool.SriNitayanda wrote:Are you calling us names again? didn't our whole conversation started because of names calling?blackrazor wrote: Grow up already and start acting like adults.
Afaik, the licences are GPL or CC-BY-SA 3 by default when posting on the forums. but perhaps you need to confirm it with the artist now.Qwerty Dragon wrote:Is the Bunny under gpl? I have those files and would like to use them.
So I write a book in google docs, do google own the book, or do the only own the statistics over what times i wrote? Or what happens if i write a book in libre office and upload it to my dropbox account? Do they own the right? Is it clear that it is that way?blackrazor wrote: When you use Google Search engine (or any search engine) you create data on searching patterns that is very valuable for targeted advertising, site rankings, interactive media distribution, etc. That data belongs to Google and you didn't sign anything for that to happen, nor can you stop them from collecting and using your data for their profit, unless you stop using search engines.
When you connect to and play on any multiplayer gaming server, your interactions create data on their servers that is very valuable to them for creating a dynamic proprietary unique environment. That data belongs to the authority running the gaming server even if you didn't sign anything for that to happen, nor can you stop them from collecting and using your data, unless you stop using gaming servers or make a formal request for its deletion (if the server is in the EU).
A better real world example than your chair is, if you paint a neighbor's wall with your paint, now the wall remains his, and the paint you put on his wall is now his. You gain neither the paint, nor the (painted) wall for your efforts. And you didn't have to sign anything for this to happen. Furthermore, if you both didn't agree on a price before the painting, then you painted for free, too. All of this applies, even if you painted a gorgeous mural, full of character and art and love and emotion; it changes nothing in the equation.
I had hoped my "painted wall" example would help, but instead you have somehow fixated on these two points, neither of which are true. This leads me to believe at least one of the following four possibilities:veryape wrote:
So I disagree with the two statements above:
Platyna = the "the manaworld project"
The host of the data = the rightful owner of the data
I tried my best. You have had your chance to bring facts to the table for nearly three years. You have failed to do so as far as I am aware. You have only made examples like painting walls and stuff and it seems like we are talking past eachother.blackrazor wrote: I had hoped my "painted wall" example would help, but instead you have somehow fixated on these two points, neither of which are true. This leads me to believe at least one of the following four possibilities:
1) You didn't carefully read any explanation that I wrote.
2) You didn't understand any explanation that I wrote.
3) You didn't want to believe any explanation that I wrote.
4) You are pretending but really having some fun trolling.
In any case, as I don't see the situation changing, I am giving up on explaining to you property rights when one party makes an alteration or improvement to another party's property without reasonable expectation of compensation. If the subject really interests you, and I doubt it does, you can go find better teachers than I.