All current GMs suck

[Hrvoje]

I would like to add my thoughts...

I could sign everything you wrote there. My vote is with you, if that counts.

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Hrvoje

[Ginaria]

I would like to add my thoughts too this public discussion.

It is my opinion that GM's should NOT get involved in player relationships.

Simple name calling, crude comments, and the like can easily be managed on a player level. The developers have implemented an "ignore" function for this purpose. A player should never come to the courthouse with the complaint "he called me this" or "she said that about me". I have always encouraged players to handle these type of issues on their own, and will continue to do so.

It is also my opinion players should not come to the courthouse with complaints of spamming/begging etc. Unless of course it is causing problems with actual game play, such as lag etc. This can be handled in game. First by using the "ignore" function, but also by contacting a GM in game and have them witness the spamming/begging.

The bottom line for me, is the community should(in theory) be able to moderate itself for the most part. You act like an ass and you get treated in kind, either by being ignored or by rejection. You are kind, and you are treated for the most part with kindness. I realize this will not always be the case and there are exceptions, but a vast majority of the time it works.

Just a few quick thoughts for you to ponder. I will add more later if need be.

MK

+7

but the thread head "All current GMs suck" is absolutely bullshit

[Tiana]

I will add a

+8

Cotillion and MK summed up my thoughts perfectly

[Delasia]

I would like to add my thoughts too this public discussion.

It is my opinion that GM's should NOT get involved in player relationships.

Simple name calling, crude comments, and the like can easily be managed on a player level. The developers have implemented an "ignore" function for this purpose. A player should never come to the courthouse with the complaint "he called me this" or "she said that about me". I have always encouraged players to handle these type of issues on their own, and will continue to do so.

It is also my opinion players should not come to the courthouse with complaints of spamming/begging etc. Unless of course it is causing problems with actual game play, such as lag etc. This can be handled in game. First by using the "ignore" function, but also by contacting a GM in game and have them witness the spamming/begging.

The bottom line for me, is the community should(in theory) be able to moderate itself for the most part. You act like an ass and you get treated in kind, either by being ignored or by rejection. You are kind, and you are treated for the most part with kindness. I realize this will not always be the case and there are exceptions, but a vast majority of the time it works.

Just a few quick thoughts for you to ponder. I will add more later if need be.

MK

This is what I try to advise when ingame complaints are received.
The trouble has been that once it is posted to the forum as a "Formal" complaint POLICY has been to deal with the complaint in a formal manner. IMHO this has been our undoing.
Some people have come to expect GMs to solve ALL their problems from name calling to items shortages.

As the community grows, the need for a more defined policy has become necessary, NOT more rules, just better, more defined ones but no one has wanted to take the bull by the horns and get it done.

If nothing else has been accomplished by the Sugarcorgit incident, the inherant EYES OPENED discussions have begun.

As I have stated in previous posts - TMW is experiencing growing pains, and patience,respect, and tolerance will be the key for ALL involved while the GM,s and the Community define the necessary changes needed.

[Inkweaver]

but the thread head "All current GMs suck" is absolutely bullshit

I agree.

MasterKenobi is the best!

[Wombat]

If we are allowed to nominate a "GM project lead" I nominate MasterKenobi.

I will also remain critical of the GMs, but I do feel he does a great job both in the presentation of his views on rules when we discuss cases and on enforcement of the rules.

[AnonDuck]

The way I see it, it could go two ways:

1) Implicitly (and necessarily somewhat blindly) trust the GMs judgment and allow them to settle matters as they deem proper

OR

2) Limit GM powers and peer-review every single action they take.

Personally, I believe that power != corruption, especially when proper perspective is kept. This is just a game after all. With the right GM team TMW could be a much better place than it is now. Unfortunately, I do not forsee the bad-apple GMs that take things too seriously/personally leaving any time soon, so I think in this case the second option may be better.

Even in the second case, there is currently no method for a peer-review to result in an overturning of a GM's actions, so they effectively have free reign nonetheless. This is a problem.

As an example: I'm sure many in the community feel that the ban on sugarcorgit was quite unjustified, yet no amount of feedback was able to change the situation until another GM stepped in and (very gingerly!) resolved the issue. How can we prevent such things from happening in the future? The system as it is now is inneffective - it allowed such a thing to happen and upset the TMW community..

I think that if GMs are to be watched and limited in their powers there needs to be a method for the community to suspend/fire them. These decisions cannot be entirely left to the development team, whom are too busy coding to know what's going on socially.

[adamaix]

or 3) GM's and players have a clearly defined set of rules/guidelines as well as a consistent tier of punishment ... this is discussed in another thread.

[Platyna]

Since I am the issuer of those rules (and, for my suprise, they weren't screwed up like other good things I did here).

Here is my opinion and explanation how those rules are supposed to be applied:
http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... 732#p60732

You should be grateful for our current gm system, Platyna would have banned you without any comment.

O'rly? Ban was always my last resort, I didn't need it at all, I had enough of authority to log in in game or send a forum PM to solve the problem.

Not to mention that people rarely complained (especialy massively) about my decisions, perhaps because I was fair.

Matt, read the sticky thread on Court House section. Especialy:

To posters:

1. Provide a name in game and other known/suspected character names.
2. Paste a screenshot(s) or links to these screenshots, since we have no chat logging feature in game (yet) it is a subject to change when we do.
3. Your comments - this is purely optional step, in fact if it is more than three sentences it will be most likely ignored, any flamming, ideological references and pseudo-philosophy forgery
will be also skipped by our anti-flame brain protection. Keep it simple, keep it cool.
4. Any content not following these rules will be deleted or closed.

No, I am not pro-current-gms I am against people who are against my regulations. ;-)

Plus, if GMs has to discuss or learn common sense, they can't be GMs. It is some bizarre thing happening here.

OMFG some person on teh Internets called me a pig...Ima gonna smash dem wif da meh club.

Regards.

[Jumpy]

[Dark Lord]

its all my doing, I plain to prove the current system and GMs corrupt

I agree with you Len, what makes GMs so special that they get better powers than us just handed to them, its not fair and I'm sure they're corrupt, if I was a GM I'd give items to my friends, who would know, they say they can't spawn items, YES THEY CAN! And so what if a few noobs begg them, its not that hard to type a few words and GMs are rude and think they're sooo great well, they're not.

[Dark Lord]

Without guys like Delasia or doorsman the Main Server would be a place ruled by Botting, Begging and Scamming. They just do their work.

You should be grateful for our current gm system, Platyna would have banned you without any comment.

I approve both kinds of game management.


Iam not actually actively playing since a long time, but it just makes me wonder why people would like to spend their freetime time "solving" "problems" like that. If that happens in reallife your mother just would tell you "bear with it", "solve it yourself", "be nice to other people so they are nice to you" etc.

Iam not a big fan of banning botting, but your overlord lady decided to make it a rule, so please lovely GMs stick to banning bots, banning players who say racists things (which arent supposed to be funny but supposed to be hurting etc), well real problems this game could have!

Everyones talking about botting, well Slicer had a bot "Quiz" and did he get banned? Did the BOT even get banned. NO IT DIDNT!!! So GMs can't ban bots if they gave Slicer special treatment.

[Goku]

Maybe because it was approved by Bjorn? And ya it's the same kind of botting as afk botting for xp, haha, good one..

[Wombat]

http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/Friendly_Bots

[Dark Lord]

Not to mention that people rarely complained (especialy massively) about my decisions, perhaps because I was fair.

I hate to tell you Platyna but hardly anyone complains about GMs or the game because they think they will get banned, I'm glad I'm not the only one against MOST GMs