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Lord of the Flies wrote:

Leela wrote:
@Amun: by programming a bot for GMs... problem with the warping thing: did you think about people who would abuse that and just use it to warp gms around? Also what if the GM is in a bot check or dealing with any other issue atm and gets warped away because someone sent @wgm?

It's a joke. Narus was joking around about me botting and I told her I would make her a gm bot. There is not really a gm bot ;p

Of course it was a joke. Here's another joke. You suck balls. Oh, here's another joke for you. You are a useless good-for-nothing piece of shite. Hahaha, that was a funnyone. Here's another. You are terrible at anything except snarling at people, and hating. Wow, I am a comedian now. We should get together at a comedy fair and entertain the crowd. You are a funny guy.

Lord of the Flies wrote:Read your own posts. Maybe if you want to try to make a valid point don't act in the manner you are accusing someone else of.

You are a joke sperios. Everything you tried to argue you undid by your own words. I don't even need to argue with you. You did all the work for me.

Cheers.

Ditto. Hahahahaha.

lol. (I just wanted the last word)

Threads like these always makes me laught. So naive. Botters want the same thing as regular players do. Beat the game. Even if the game is Turing test played inside The Mana World

But back to original post to stay ontopic.

>> Limit the amount of items that a person can pick up reasonably in a certain amount of time per item. That way, they can't bot for too long.

- low speed / distributed botting fix this
- my uneployed friend play TMW 16 hours a day, is he bot? He is level 99 btw, im 82
- imagine regular player that havent played for 2 months, now he finally have free weekend, can he play 2 days in row? Why not? Because some stupid bot limit?
- mules for storing stuff

Long story short, any antibot rules will be perfectly exploitable by bots and will only affect regular players. Besides harder antibot rules makes it even more challanging to make really good bot.

spier, dood, you're one of my best friends on the game, u know i love you mate. aside from all the negative comments, i have to sorta agree with flies about botting in general. like you said man, this is just a game. botting AFK is wrong, everyone agrees with this. however, making any changes like limiting items people can carry and the like will only end up hurting the economy. who's going to want to play a game thats so restrictive? i started my party on the game 'tmw social workers' to help new players acclimate to this game which already has many things working against it.

90% of my time spent on here i do what GM's should be doing but dont because they're off sitting around hurnscald chatting it up or afk themselves, which is taking shifts in twos being stationed in tulimshar giving tutorials and help to new players instead of having people figure things out for themselves. GM's have no real reason sitting around helping experienced players. they already know what to do, and if an afk bot is found, they can simply issue commands from where they are to stem the activity as they see fit. have one gm there if there are more than one online, else the only gm online should be in tulimshar.

if it weren't for the ability for people like myself to be able to turn on hands free mode from time to time, to save my fingers while i'm at the pc, to load up on items which i turn right around and have new players for the most part earn off of me, then i'm sure there wouldn't be quite as many players as we have now. i use this power for the greater good of the game as a whole, since no one else seems to care. now i'm already completely ticked off that i will have to start over on a new server when it goes online, throwing something like jails and bans and limits for gathering things that i use to help game new player retention simply turns me off from even caring about a place that i have made many friends in and try to take care of.

instead of trying to limit what you can and cant do as a user of the game in general, why not simply create a bot registry in the game, it wouldn't even need to be something coded, just a new party that any member of has to be vetted before being allowed entrance to to make sure they do as i do, help others in the game with the power they have. not just to exploit it, and if you're not in this party and caught botting, then by all means kick/ban/do as ye will to them. i nominate myself as the beginning party head of this group, since i already have a nice sounding party name and am the only one in it as of yet.

my 2c, thoughts?

floatswitch wrote:90% of my time spent on here i do what GM's should be doing but dont because they're off sitting around hurnscald chatting it up or afk themselves, which is taking shifts in twos being stationed in tulimshar giving tutorials and help to new players

Helping new players is not the job of the game masters.

The game masters responsibility is enforcing the game rules.

Introducing newbies into the game should be the job of concerned players like yourself because it doesn't require any special privileges on the server.

Crush wrote:

floatswitch wrote:90% of my time spent on here i do what GM's should be doing but dont because they're off sitting around hurnscald chatting it up or afk themselves, which is taking shifts in twos being stationed in tulimshar giving tutorials and help to new players

Helping new players is not the job of the game masters.

The game masters responsibility is enforcing the game rules.

Introducing newbies into the game should be the job of concerned players like yourself because it doesn't require any special privileges on the server.

i dont understand that statement, "should be the job of concerned players like yourself because it doesn't require any special privileges"? in all honesty do you people, and by that i mean people who have a stake in the success or failure of the game, even have a plan for the game? or care if it grows? i help new players because i wanted to, because "billr" helped me. and since then i've tried to keep that tradition going, i help someone, encourage them to help others. but to have someone blatantly tell me that "it is MY responsibility" turns me off completely, when i have nothing staked in this game.

kyon wrote:Threads like these always makes me laught. So naive. Botters want the same thing as regular players do. Beat the game. Even if the game is Turing test played inside The Mana World

That's one of the more intelligent posts I've seen in this thread, even if it doesn't fully apply to people running bots written by others.