Open Letter To Mana World Server Attackers

[Platyna]

Mhm, what attacks? There were no attacks recently. And to steal a password file you first have to hack into the TMW account, which is passwordless - so only way is to steal the cert, you may always try, have fun.

[Yoshimura]

please no hacky wacky, yoshi likes it here

[DariusBane]

This was prompted because of frustration in the server constantly dumping a player out. Then when you try logging back in the server spits back, already logged in, or wrong password. Also frustration in not even being able to log in to begin with at times. Seems like the server is constantly 'unable to resolve' or just maintains an open line which does not log in.

And yes I do consider some of it might be issues with the internet connect here. I can agree that some may be that. But it is not all that, causing the troubles. I have seen others complaining about the server being down a lot.

And Platyna, you yourself commented upon having to fend off DoS attacks in these forums. I am frustrated with people trying to crap on something good in the world. It is senseless, immature and down right idiotic. Apologies for being human and venting a bit. Did not intend on being a troll. Merely thought I could ask others not to be as well.

This will be why this game loses gamers, I think. Players can not express their opinions for fear of being accused as being spammers/trolls/jerks/idiots. The game used to be about the players. What happened between then and now? No need to reply as I am not really interested in answers, seems all the 'powers that be' answer loudly enough in actions.

[Platyna]

Well eathena has its whims, we can't help it much than we do already.

Regards.

[o11c]

Well eathena has its whims, helping it more than we do already is a work of several months.

Regards.

Fixed.

[Platyna]

DariusBane, I don't know who told you that this game loses players. I think otherwise.

Regards.

[DariusBane]

DariusBane, I don't know who told you that this game loses players. I think otherwise.

Regards.

No one told me. I am saying it is what I think. It is an opinion based upon observation. Anyone may think, or have an opinion as they choose. I am not saying who is correct or in error, only voicing my thought and opinion. As far as I know that is still allowed in modern society. You are more than welcome to think otherwise. In fact I am glad you do.

[Crush]

"The game loses players" is not an opinion. It's a statement. A statement can be either true or false. The truthfulness of your statement has been challenged by someone who is better informed about the facts than you are. Either provide evidence supporting your statement or revoke it.

Also, freedom of speech does not only mean that you may voice your opinion, it also means that others are allowed to voice their opinion about yours.

[natsuki3]

DariusBane, I don't know who told you that this game loses players. I think otherwise.

Regards.

i agree with Platyna and i have been inviting alot of people to play to tmw in big websites like taringa.net etc etc
Now tmw has more players than ever

[DariusBane]

"The game loses players" is not an opinion. It's a statement. A statement can be either true or false. The truthfulness of your statement has been challenged by someone who is better informed about the facts than you are. Either provide evidence supporting your statement or revoke it.

Also, freedom of speech does not only mean that you may voice your opinion, it also means that others are allowed to voice their opinion about yours.

In the context written, it is an opinion. I have the opinion from observing at least three or four cases presented in the forum of players leaving, that the game loses players. If you want to make it a statement, fine. In seeing those other players who left, then it is true. Even if only one player leaves it remains true. I am not doubting anyone's experiences or position of being better informed. What is, is. Apologies for not living in a fantasy constantly.

And yes, I know others can present opinions too. I have not said they can not, nor am I discouraging them. I do not debate opinion. I was merely presenting one. "Hey, I think this might be why the game loses players ..." And then everyone piles on a bandwagon of witch hunt. Um, what the heck, Edgar? Guess my point in all this was proven, was hoping it would not have been.

No, was not trolling. I saw something and thought better of people here. Sadly, I had that opinion and esteem in people here unproven. It is disappointing.


Here is one leaving: http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... =4&t=13373

There are others, this was just the first which came to mind.

[Crush]

Looking at the online user count, the player number is quite stable.

There are players leaving, but there is an equal number of new players. That's normal for a game.

Additionally, you shouldn't believe anyone who makes a large declaration that they are going to quit the game. Those who really quit do it silently. Those who make a big fuss out of it don't really want to quit. They just want attention. DarkWater is a perfect example. That person claimed to quit several times but appears again and again complaining about the same non-issues.

[Platyna]

We have:

110 users are online.

While other game, that is 3d and not really free, is developed longer and spent a lot of money and effort for advertising has:

There are 441 Players Online:

When I first came to this game average player count online was 5 people.

About freedom of speech here:
http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... =12&t=8775

Regards.

[DariusBane]

That is fine. I don't see how me stating the server keeps booting a player off, passwords reset is "baseless bitching" when it does happen. I don't see how stating an opinion that constant grinding in game for little to no reward in game is either. Nor do I see how that opinion would effect another person's freedom. I am making fair and as objective observations able.

With others voicing some of the same opinion and stating problems with the server, my voicing of such does not seem out of line. Nor does it seem a witch hunt. I have thanked all of you admin and developer types for creating a great game, when a person can play it. This isn't a "witch hunt" to berate admins and developers. But yes, I think you all could do better. That is about all I have been saying.

"Hey, your servers keep booting me for no reason. They also reset my passwords at random sometimes. The grinding in game is crumby. Can somebody help?"

I am not ready by far to provide help. I can offer suggestions based on little experience. But I am blind surgeon here.

I have also spoke with a few other players. They say the resets of passwords appears to be an issue of someone hacking the account. I normally create a new account and go on. Been doing that a few years now. I should not have to. And it is not me forgetting the passwords, have eliminated that as a possibility. I use a select algorithm which gives me easy to recall but difficult to guess passwords. It's the Diceware method if you need to know.

But me saying this seems to elicit me being labeled a jerk. Other players get help. This is frustrating to me. You're fortunate I am patient.

[Crush]

About your password issue: when there is really some vulnerability in the server which allows to hack accounts, how comes that there is no case of a gm, dev or administrator account being compromised yet? Why hack a common player and take their items when you could also hack a dev and create all the items you want? And no, the accounts with privileges do not have any special security features. So tell me, what's more likely: A hacker who found a way to compromise accounts but is too afraid to hack those which are really worth it, or you simply forgetting your password?

And about the connectivity issue: I can stay logged in for hours without a single disconnect. Others are not complaining either. Did it ever come to your mind that it is maybe YOUR connection which is shaky?


Tl;dr: stop blaming tmw for problems which are much more likely on your side

[DariusBane]

About your password issue: when there is really some vulnerability in the server which allows to hack accounts, how comes that there is no case of a gm, dev or administrator account being compromised yet? Why hack a common player and take their items when you could also hack a dev and create all the items you want?

No idea why. Maybe simply because they can. Maybe to bot. I am not the one doing the alleged hacking, not in a position to know the why.

And no, the accounts with privileges do not have any special security features. So tell me, what's more likely: A hacker who found a way to compromise accounts but is too afraid to hack those which are really worth it, or you simply forgetting your password?

Yes, I can admit to forgetting passwords in the past. This is why I now, use passwords which can be recalled easily, yet are difficult to guess. It has still happened.

And about the connectivity issue: I can stay logged in for hours without a single disconnect. Others are not complaining either. Did it ever come to your mind that it is maybe YOUR connection which is shaky?

That is a possibility. This comes and goes in phases. Some days better connectivity than others. On bad days, I get booted every five minutes or so. Gets annoying.

Tl;dr: stop blaming tmw for problems which are much more likely on your side.

Fair enough. But it always takes two to tango. I can admit some responsibility for the possibilities. I will not accept all, though. C'mon could it really be the ISP every time? Is this like fishing, got to cock your noggin a certain way on a certain hour of a certain day?