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If it warns players to the risk, I say let them take their chances (it's called hardcore for a reason).Crush wrote:What about the monster oil quest? Isn't that one also able to randomly kill the character?
tux9th implemented this with the commandLen wrote:It appears that if you have any damage before reading the note it kills you outright (the note cannot kill so long as the player has full hp)
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percentheal "-99"; Actually HC might satisfy the player base who wanted a death penalty, while letting the casual gamers keep the old system they enjoy. Then again if we are going to go through the trouble of making an otherworldly place why not do as you suggest? (just throwing stuff out there)Jaxad0127 wrote:Combining this with the death penalty idea, we can send dead HC players there and not give them a away out. Only non-HC chars can leave the dead place.
There are also Sagatha and fluffy hat, Mirak, Halloween seasonal pumkin traps.Ablu wrote:I would also remove stuff like the death note in this house (which kills you instantly if you read it) (at least for hardcore mode). You should have control about wether you live or die. Reading a note in a room that you might not know which ends your hard work for your character is a bit silly to me.
not to speak of Grimace of DementiaCrush wrote:What about the monster oil quest? Isn't that one also able to randomly kill the character?
Set a variable, and make it check if the player is on hardcore mode everytime he tries one of those quests.Nard wrote:There are also Sagatha and fluffy hat, Mirak, Halloween seasonal pumkin traps.Ablu wrote:I would also remove stuff like the death note in this house (which kills you instantly if you read it) (at least for hardcore mode). You should have control about wether you live or die. Reading a note in a room that you might not know which ends your hard work for your character is a bit silly to me.
edit:not to speak of Grimace of DementiaCrush wrote:What about the monster oil quest? Isn't that one also able to randomly kill the character?
Such is the path of the hardcore... Things like that actually appeal to that type of gamer (until they die that is itMadCamel wrote:What about irreplaceable rare items? If a hardcore player dies with one.. it's gone forever.
). I'd image they would only use the items that are good for combat and keep the fancy stuff on an alt.Marking a character HC should occur before level 10 or so (level 1 is popular in this thread). Turning a level 99 into a HC char is useless. They already have everything.GARRETTtheGREAT wrote:I had something else in mind for starting the hardcore "quest" to try and tie it in to the lore of the Mana World.
My idea was that the Soul Menhirs work by saving some of the person's mana so that they could be re-created after death. The player would talk to an NPC who has found a way to free all of the character's mana from the soul menhirs, making them stronger, but thereby losing the ability to be brought back from death. That is also why I was pushing for some sort of increase in the character's stats or such, so that it would tie into the story as well.
my idea would also explain why hardcore characters are able to survive failing the monster oil quest while normal players would die.GARRETTtheGREAT wrote:I had something else in mind for starting the hardcore "quest" to try and tie it in to the lore of the Mana World.
My idea was that the Soul Menhirs work by saving some of the person's mana so that they could be re-created after death. The player would talk to an NPC who has found a way to free all of the character's mana from the soul menhirs, making them stronger, but thereby losing the ability to be brought back from death. That is also why I was pushing for some sort of increase in the character's stats or such, so that it would tie into the story as well.
I thought leaderboards were being discouraged as they required excessive disk I/O.
I agree, but some aspects of the game are designed with unlimited player deaths in mind. monster oil, grimoire, resist poison, and dementia potion all have a good chance of instant death regardless of player skill or level. the game should still be playable for hardcore, but just much harder. besides, if these quests are too risky, no one will do them in hardcore mode. Valia is probably already one quest no one would attempt.Len wrote:I understand the need to help the player overcome a few pitfalls, but Lets not put the player into a plastic bubble and call it hardcore. Look up egorapter's Awesome Gaiden cartoon to gain a better understanding of the meaning of hardcore.