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Hi,

I can see reviving being useful for bot testing. I don't see a reason for it being used for any other purpose, though (cf. my addendum to the proposed GM guidelines.)

-- fate

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Crush wrote:

DarkWater wrote: [2009-09-21 02:23:50] 013-3.gat(81,27) Delasia : @revive booth

What exactly was the reason for this?

Booth lied there taunting us, then del showed up and revived him to prove that she can and will help friends.

Booth wrote:

Crush wrote:

DarkWater wrote: [2009-09-21 02:23:50] 013-3.gat(81,27) Delasia : @revive booth

What exactly was the reason for this?

The reviving didn't work lol. I was still laying there dead.

6 people saw you get up booth.

IMO, Quit whining and go play the game!

So a GM moved two players out of the way......... so what! I do it all the time if I'm checking for bots. I'd rather disturb afk players than those actually playing the game.

I see nothing wrong here, except the fact that you are trying to make nothing in to something.

Obviously you have an issue with Delasia which IMO reduces your credibility in any type of complaint against her.

MK

MasterKenobi wrote:IMO, Quit whining and go play the game!

So a GM moved two players out of the way......... so what! I do it all the time if I'm checking for bots. I'd rather disturb afk players than those actually playing the game.

I see nothing wrong here, except the fact that you are trying to make nothing in to something.

Obviously you have an issue with Delasia which IMO reduces your credibility in any type of complaint against her.

MK

I respect your point of view but disagree with it.


Del moved to people not for bot checks but because they where in the way of her friend.

Where is moved them got them killed.

Then she lied about why she did it.

And then she placed booth in the room to insult and taunt us about.

None of this seems to go a bit beyond botchecking to you?

I have nothing person against del. In fact if you read previous posts by me and my sister we even defend her.

This is not person. The fact is that you have a gm that is allowing friend to do what ever they want and punishing normal players.

She moves nitemares for standing in one stop. But amun is allowed to move monsters in front of gateways and she just laughs about it.


Gms should remain netural and always repect the players. Del has not and will not do that.

She even taunts us by saying complain. Knowing that nothing will be done about this. She knows she can do what ever she wants and you will say "quit your whinning."

Players are and will continue to quit over her.

DarkWater wrote:Gms should remain netural and always repect the players. Del has not and will not do

+1

Dy

I hate having to repeat myself like a broken recored but I will to illustrate this point.

Like I have said before here
http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... e&start=45

Black Don wrote:I find these kind of threads will only continue as long as there are people using IRC PM's and whispers to abuse and upset people. But I all ready said that it comes with the territory of putting someone in a position of trust in that does not act in a trust worthy manner.

Black Don wrote:I hate having to repeat myself like a broken recored but I will to illustrate this point.

Like I have said before here
http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... e&start=45

Black Don wrote:I find these kind of threads will only continue as long as there are people using IRC PM's and whispers to abuse and upset people. But I all ready said that it comes with the territory of putting someone in a position of trust in that does not act in a trust worthy manner.

+1 Don
well, I suppose really
+2 Don
and I'll give an additional
+3 Don just because he is dam right.

Black Don wrote: Like I have said before here
http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... e&start=45

The best part is that my sister thedarkfinder is in that thread defending del for what she did.

I agree with her, gms should enforce order so that way everyone is equal. Del has it set that some are more equal then others. That needs to stop.

To add a bigger issue to this, I talked to nitemares about this.

she said this.

[quote=nitemares]
Both of us were playing the game. I stopped playing when she started
her bot check, waiting for her to get to me as I was fighting off
stack. Without a word said to me, to see if I was there, I was moved
into the stack. I stopped fighting and stood there, after I was moved, to avoid giving a reason to be banned.[/quote]

That is what happened from nitemares point of view.

Del came in, she was already off the main stack, fighting by herself.
Del moved nitemares into the stack.

Master,
how many times have you moved a person to the stack for a botcheck? Is this common? Why do we need to unstack if gms wants us to stack?

This is really confusing.

Del did a bot check

Moved a character fighting off the stack, into the stack.
Why, so that way booth can get more exp.

It does seem this is just standard, is starting to wash out.

GMs are never taking "control" of a character as stated in the initial post. As shown in the GM logs, Delasia moved the chars using the @ command. That is sometimes a necessity to do so if the players in a stack are not replying or not moving when asked to do so. I think that any GM can tell I'm right there. If that is an inconvenient for some players, most are understanding that practise.

For the debate regarding the @revive command, I'm not sure sure it is relevant to do it here. Might be mistaking, but that's my humble opinion.

Remember that GMs are human as well, so they can do mistakes like every other player. Those errors can have an impact on the game, I'm well awared of that, but saying they can't occur is pure madness. So please, let's act as a community and for the best of the stated community.

Regards,

Doors she was not moving people AWAY from the stack she was moving them INTO it...read the posts before you post your judgement please

Dy

I have moved players onto a stack on a few occasions.

If I have multiple afk players stacking I can't tell who is attacking and who is not. So I will move them and after confirming they are afk I will put them back.
I'm not suggesting this is what happened here, I am just responding to a question posed too me.

FYI, I was not present for this particular incident and I'm not privy to any additional information. As such, it would be inappropriate for me to weigh in on the particulars of this case. I'm just offering my opinions given what little information has been offered in this topic.

My only request is this: Please keep in mind, being a GM is not an easy task. The moment you come online you are bombarded with questions and requests. Sometimes it seems you are criticized no matter what you actions you take. Also, GM's do their jobs with absolutely no benefit to themselves. We are human, with real lives outside this game. We have good days and bad days just like anyone else. Sometimes it's necessary to just cut us a little slack. Again, I'm not saying this pertains here, just an FYI.

MK

MK no one is berating you for doing a good job because you DO a good job...you dont harass players and you dont do your best to ban those you chose not to like. You are the neutral GM this games needs...we need more like you but I fear you may be one of a kind

For some reason Delasia cannot keep neutral and has to harass the players...look at how many threads are up now about her...that should speak for itself

Dy