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you can tell that by design there were meant to help level up higher level players when they reach the area that the xp needed verges on the ridiculous. as such theyre fine with level restrictions0x0BAL wrote:Why not making those new items wearable by lower level players too?
Edit: and let the same necessity of stats to get those bonuses.
At the expense of stealing XP from lower and mid-level players. In 6 months, when there are hundreds of those bows in TMW, it will force new players to leave the game. A prediction of course, but in my opinion there needs to be something to adjust the game.bell chick wrote:you can tell that by design there were meant to help level up higher level players when they reach the area that the xp needed verges on the ridiculous. as such theyre fine with level restrictions0x0BAL wrote:Why not making those new items wearable by lower level players too?
Edit: and let the same necessity of stats to get those bonuses.
It is planned and being worked on. It takes time though as it comes as part of a new area with new quests.Possibly have areas for +90 players only, much harder than the GY is.
Agreed. The question, of course, is whether we have a total player base enough to sustain it. Well, since it's possible to solo in the graveyard, it's probably doable.LordDune wrote:At the expense of stealing XP from lower and mid-level players. In 6 months, when there are hundreds of those bows in TMW, it will force new players to leave the game. A prediction of course, but in my opinion there needs to be something to adjust the game.bell chick wrote:you can tell that by design there were meant to help level up higher level players when they reach the area that the xp needed verges on the ridiculous. as such theyre fine with level restrictions0x0BAL wrote:Why not making those new items wearable by lower level players too?
Edit: and let the same necessity of stats to get those bonuses.
Possibly have areas for +90 players only, much harder than the GY is. And having areas only for players under level 60, under 40, etc. 90% of TMW would remain common areas. Or make certain areas come with restrictions, where you can't use any of the Boss items. There are many ways to help fix this, but it is going to be a problem that gets worse every day until it is dealt with.
the mid and low level warriors have gotten the short end of the xp stick for quite some time. now that the archers are losing xp its the end of the world?LordDune wrote:At the expense of stealing XP from lower and mid-level players. In 6 months, when there are hundreds of those bows in TMW, it will force new players to leave the game. A prediction of course, but in my opinion there needs to be something to adjust the game.bell chick wrote:you can tell that by design there were meant to help level up higher level players when they reach the area that the xp needed verges on the ridiculous. as such theyre fine with level restrictions0x0BAL wrote:Why not making those new items wearable by lower level players too?
Edit: and let the same necessity of stats to get those bonuses.
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[15:31] <Cassy_at_work> V0id: about the Banshee Bow I'm really not sure
[15:32] <V0id> on which point exactly, Cassy_at_work
[15:33] <Cassy_at_work> I know from myself that the malus is tough cause I only have 588 HP now (don't forget it also reduces your max HP by 150) and after a few seconds they are down to ~300 leaving certain mobs being able to kill me in one hit
[15:33] <Cassy_at_work> though I have say I have a special build as mage/archer
[15:34] <Cassy_at_work> have to say*
[15:34] <V0id> for what you are saying, it seems it's doing the job i intended it does
[15:34] <Cassy_at_work> yes, exactly
[15:35] <V0id> hmm, so i don't get what you are "not sure" about :D
[15:35] <Cassy_at_work> I see valid points in both pros and contras about weakening it
[15:35] <V0id> okay, got it
[15:36] <Cassy_at_work> ;)
[15:36] <Cassy_at_work> imo it's balanced in player vs mobs, but imba in pvp
[15:37] <V0id> it's usually what happens with such design of items. it's hard to say if the balancing is good between bonus / malus
[15:37] <V0id> but if we took the calm and safe road of boring items giving +1 in some stat, it wouldn't be satisfying
[15:37] <Cassy_at_work> about the pricing issue I think some fools just came up with the idea of making the Banshee having a higher value than other Illia items (except the heart btw - this one is the real most valueable one), because if you are an archer you want the bow, if you are a warrior you want the bull and as mage the robe
[15:38] <V0id> yeah
[15:38] <Cassy_at_work> it depends on how you wish to fight and when someone comes with the argument about different exp: it depends on your build (more agi), not on the illia item
[15:38] <V0id> i've seen several times people wanting to buy a banshee bow. it's demanded
[15:38] <V0id> usually it's the first item they want when trying illia
[15:39] <V0id> then i've see a few of these people going backwards and selling it for a bull
[15:39] <Cassy_at_work> I think it simply looks awesome ;)
[15:39] <Cassy_at_work> that's the most reason
from my exp using the banshee is expensive even with heart of isis, and your survivablity rate really drops with it, usually when there is candor, which starts with 5 basnhee users u wont see more than 1-2 survive all the run. those who survive use lots of water for full run. if you do hardcore leveling you can spend about 50k or more per day on healing.v0id wrote:* The Banshee Bow is really great for levelling, but get prepared to spend a lot of healing items, especially if you use potions. "Lot of healing items" means you ll need to heal like every 10 seconds if you use conc/iron pots. Also, you ll never be with your HP full ever, you already suffer -150 HP and your defense is very low. You are often at 1-2 hits close to death. Conclusion: If you're bad at dodging mobs, the bow is not for you.
For farming, it's not good: you ll kill things faster but you'll blow your money away in healings... you can sit and wait 3-5 secs like Travolta suggests, but then, what's the point to kill faster if it's to sit and wait often ? just stick with forest bow.
* The Bull Helmet is great too for levelling and farming also. It deals less damages (but not that less as seen in previous posts) than a banshee bow, but you dont really need to worry about a mob spawning in your back. You can even play tank with it: with vit 85 and a Heart of Isis, I never needed a single heal in Candor. Nothing new here, it's the same differences than the classic warrior / archer debate: more secure, less damage.
from my exp tank mages can still stand quite good against banshee bow even if the archer is asorming himself. banshee bow even with terra arrows and potions, does no more than 400 dmg to betsanced tank mage with 95-100 vit. with heart of isis and lvl 94-99, it takes 4-5 arrows to kill the mage if all arrows hit, but not all arrows hit again thanks to betsanc, thus the mage is sometimes able to cast the second ingrav before the archer can get the killer arrow. (this was tested against banshee archers leveled 91-99, with tank mages 94-99) mage can also betsanc the opponent archer to slow him down without any penalty for the mage, cause betsanc doesn't affect magic dmg.rumly111 wrote: The banshee bow gives fantastic advantage in PvP. Nobody win against it. It doesn't matter how much vitality, agility and luck the target has, he has not chance. The archer simply makes critical hits with 450 damage, and the oponent dies in 2-3 hits. Do you find balance in it?
One player killer already got the banshee bow, and sooner or later many will have it, no matter what they say. Until now at least a tanked mage could survive against an asormed pvp-archer, now even that "backdoor" isn't an option.