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Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

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Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 04:05
by Meicchi
Barchaul wrote:I found that Elanore in Tulimshar is pretty much useless as a healer. By the time I completed the quests at Candor and visited Hurnscald, I was well over level 10. Elanore only heals up to level 10. Probably might consider allowing her to heal you at higher levels or just remove the healing part and move her to the Magic School where she will teach Life magic, as that is her main purpose in the game.
Actually maybe it would be okay if Nurse and Eleanore switched their level requisites, since you might be about 6 when you arrive Hurnscald and 15 if you wish to do the mine quests. Should be fine.

And another thing I was looking here, it would be nice to have those Red Slimes at 018-3 (135,89) in Hurnscald Mines like in the main server right now, it's a good spot. It makes grinding in there more collaborative and less competitive since there are two spots. Slimes for all!

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 19:08
by Barchaul
The Hide and Seek quest needs some corrections. After finding the NPC and clicking on them a second time you get the update on how many are left to be found. Here is the results I got and the order in which I received them.

!. "1 out of 5 still need to be found" (should be "1 out of 5 have been found")

2. " The other 2 out of 5 left can't be that well hidden" (should be "2 out of 5 have been found. The others can't be that well hidden")

3. " It seems you need to find 3 out of 5" (should be " It seems you have found 3 out of 5"

4. " Hmm, no, looks like 4 out of 5 still need to be found" ( should be "Hmmm, no, looks like only 4 out of 5 have been found")

5. "There are 5 out of 5 left" ( should be " You have found 5 out of 5. You should go talk to Ayasha again")

**I added the last sentence so that you are reminded to go back to Ayasha to end the quest.

The order in which you find them changes the wording a bit, but the update is still wrong.

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 19:52
by Barchaul
I tried to do the testing as if I had never played TMW before. With no knowledge of how to play or what to do.

In my opinion, at the very beginning of the game, Sorfina needs to be able to interact with you sooner.

After you make your very first move, you choose your language and read the rules. Then you need to figure out how to work the controls to be able to walk over to Sorfina, You can't just click on her with the mouse. After you figure out how to get to her, she then teaches you how to use the controls to walk around and some other basic controls.

After making your first move, selecting your language and reading the rules, Sorfina should then interact with you and teach you the basics.

If you have played before or just created an alternate character, you can choose the option that you already know everything and move on out to start playing. But for beginners the tutorial is a necessity and might be frustrating for some from the start.

True, it isn't that hard to figure out how to get over to Sorfina and this is just my opinion.

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 21:06
by Barchaul
During the beginning tutorial, Sorfina should also let you know that you can come back and talk to her and she will heal you if you are injured. Good thing to know if you are a beginner.

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 26 Dec 2014, 09:07
by Barchaul
I searched and searched, but I could not find anyone In Hurnscald that would sell me a knife to give to Banu. I had to travel back to Condor to buy one.

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 26 Dec 2014, 14:05
by wushin
Peter in the Blacksmith shop does. I make Banu talk more directly about who.

Aye, I think I can mention that bit about Sorfina.

Moving shouldn't be that hard. Manaplus uses the arrows and the mobile has an on screen so I'm not worried too much about the moving tutorial. Specially consider click off the npc will walk the player, so even trial and error should allow them to get going. So not to worried about this.

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 26 Dec 2014, 19:32
by Barchaul
Ahhh... yes. I didn't ask Peter if he sold anything else. My bad. :alt-0:

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 26 Dec 2014, 20:24
by wushin
Sorfina now mentions returning and resting.

Switched around the bank and the sick girls house on the south end of Tulimshar.

Combined Casino, Hotel, Bakery & Barber.

Corrected Hide N Seek verbiage.

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 21:12
by Barchaul
Sandstorm Mine Quest

After getting permission to enter the mine form Nickos, you can go back to Lt. Dausen and start the quest over again. I recreated this several times getting 500 gp and a pair of boots each time. After selling the boots and subtracting the cost of 10 cactus drinks I was a rich man in very little time. You never even have to enter the mine. :P

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 03:07
by wushin
Ok, I fixed Lt. Dausen and Added a Debug NPC to the Mine Quest to make it easier to test.

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 20:21
by Barchaul
Hurnscald

Ian the Guide

When inquiring about Magic, Ian states:

"The only active Mana Seed remaining is West of here somewhere. Ask Wyara they may know something about it."

"In decades past, there was a Mana Seed in Tulimshar, from which people could draw magical energies. Unfortunately, the seed went dormant. However, I've overheard the bard mentioning something about this recently. If you are interested in magic, try talking to him."

Now that the natural flow of the game takes you to Hurnscald before Tulimshar, you will probably find Wyara before you find the bard. The only way you can talk to Wyara about the Mana Seed is if you have talked to the bard first.

IMO, that first sentence should be eliminated. Finding the bard seems to start the flow of the Magic Quest. The bard does give a hint as to the location of the Mana Seed.

Also, the bard does give a hint about who to talk to when you ask,"What do you know about".

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 02:34
by wushin
Actually what you need to do first is touch the seed then go talk to wyara, then make a Mana Potion, then go back to the seed. No bard needed, nor talking to Wyara.

As what used to limit people was the ferry only let you go to Hurnscald if you were 30+. I changed that a while ago when I replaced the ferrys. What needs to happen is a better pipeline to magic.

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 06:22
by meway
Spoiler:
I woke up and I have amnesia from being thrown off of a ship during a tremor.
I wonder, what is the tremor from?

Some strange lady told me that I washed up on the shore 3 days ago. I was out that long?
I must have hit my head pretty hard.
What was I doing at sea on a ship?

So this lady.. her granddaughter tanisha found me and than some guy named Kaan carrys me to bed.
Ok so Tanisha is your granddaughter... but... Who is Kaan!.

So this lady with no medical experience or medical background of any sort to be mentioned and no
equipment of any kind has been taking care of me for 3 days in hopes that I would just wake up.
How am I alive and not almost dead from starvation? Why do I have full health?

I didn't have any possessions? like clothes? I must have had clothes! I feel entirely violated... and
now this old woman wants to know if I have a name? Ok I will tell her my name looks like I don't get a
choice.

Ok so now this old lady sorfina introduces herself after making me feel violated and afraid ontop of forcing me to introduce myself before she tells her own name. She wants to offer me some kind of knowledge
or wisdom. Looks like I can either be super excited and tell her "that would be great!" or keeping in mind
that if I was paying attention I have amnesia but "No, thanks, I already know how things are going".
So I choose to be excited about her wanting to tell me something useful. Now she is smiling at me ...
*pokerface* she tells me I have arrived at a very strange time and the council is visiting candor today. waiiiit... what council? what is Candor? what cave!? whats a big shaker? where is here, is this candor?!
ok still confused now she finally offers to dress me. My HitchHikers towel? magical jump... I think this
is why I jumped off the boat in the first place. Work? Thanks for the money sucker... Come back!? why on earth would I want to come back. I'm not ungrateful its just your creepy and I'm just a scared individual that fell off a boat apparently and bonked my head if that's the truth..

Ok I will help Tanisha as if I had the choice at this point. I can't remember Chocolate Cupcake though... wait Tanisha I didn't say anything about feeling any better. I mean sure I'm better because I'm awake but I seriously want to get out of this creeepy hell hole. muhahah wait ... the first act of trust.. Your going to give me a knife??? Lucky for you I apparently don't know how to use it. Guess your going to tell me. Press JB4... uh ok I guess you won't teach me. Your about as useful as your grandmother Tanisha thanks for nothing. I know whawt a CTRL is but wtf is a JB4? oh your going to tell me what stats and things do? sweet oh cool your uncle at the counter knows spells to reset my stats... Why are you repeating yourself? I heard you the first time you said your uncle can reset my stats... and now your looking at me weird. Who the heck is Bernard??????????????? ooh hey its Kaan .. not sure if I want to talk to that creepo. alright I will talk to him.... Ok Ian the trainer .... is nowhere in site where the heck am I suppose to go? Hello? shouldn't you start with that at the beginning of the sentence. This amnesia thing must be something in the water... Aiden... This guy has paperwork thats mine! he must know something about me! finally somebody who might know something. Oh.. I guess he just keeps track of monsters I killed... is he stalking me? *pokerface* Ishi and Aiden must be working together I better keep a close eye on them. Oh thanks Liana for clearing that up indirectly so I must be in Candor. Kill ten maggots to get what? ok fine.. now house maggots wait was this part of the deal? scorpions too? ... Too be continued

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 06:37
by Barchaul
wushin wrote:Actually what you need to do first is touch the seed then go talk to wyara, then make a Mana Potion, then go back to the seed. No bard needed, nor talking to Wyara.

As what used to limit people was the ferry only let you go to Hurnscald if you were 30+. I changed that a while ago when I replaced the ferrys. What needs to happen is a better pipeline to magic.
You are right again boss.

I hate it when that happens. :lol:

Re: Moving Tutorial to Candor and Closer to Hurnscald [Test]

Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 07:34
by Barchaul
Candor

Ferry

When you hit the trigger on the dock to board the ferry it loops back and forth between yes and no until you take your finger off the key.

If you use the mouse to move around, it works ok.

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After more testing I noticed it only has to do with the up and down keys not left or right. Because you move up and down on the dock in Candor you get this effect. All of the other docks you move right and left.
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