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Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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I respectfully ask that no changes be made to the title and intent of Crush's server-move flamewar topic.

That topic was made by a longtime respected admin member of the community for a specific purpose and was promised by him not to be deleted, which also included not to be altered or mixed or diluted with unrelated topics.

Please respect his clear wishes and intent when he made that specific topic. If you need a new topic, for new material, please consider making one, or even make a whole flame section in the forums, if that pleases you.

Thank you for your consideration.
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Re: The official server flamewar topic

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You had absolutely no right to move that topic I just made into this unrelated place. You are abusing your role as GM, SirNit, and yes, you can consider this an official complaint about you to the TMWC.
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Re: The official server flamewar topic

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Told you already, we may move your posts to a new topic. We need a decision from the other memebers too.
Again keeping you to one topic isn't censoring you.
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Re: The official server flamewar topic

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You had no right to arbitrarily move my topic into your garbage space. What rules did it break, for this to be deserved? Or am I to be a special case now, where everything I post, no matter if constructive or polite gets put here? What rule of GM is this?
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Re: The official server flamewar topic

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Here you go a topic just for you till the other team members decide.
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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All I want is when I make a constructive topic for it to be treated properly by staff and not in some unique way.

Not this exchange between us instead:

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You don't see how a polite, constructive well-worded request not to use Crush's thread in this new way belongs in your garbage can?

Ok, well hopefully other members of the TMWC will understand it better.

I consider this a form of social-banning, moving everything I say into your "complaints box" garbage can, which is not even supposed to be for this purpose, it is Crush's thread for another purpose entirely. Crush made this thread to cool down tensions over the server-move and consolidate the many discussions on that specific topic, not to be used in this new way.
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Told you i will you already said it in previous message, you are not a special case. i don't see how this post is in a different topic?
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Whatever it seems to you, it isn't. I only want to preserve Crush's topic as it was. If you have new uses, please consider making a new section or thread for them. Thank you.
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Are you ok?
Want to have a chat where we can insta chat instead of this?
you can upload the chat here later.
Really it seems like you only want to make drama.
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or this related one:

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I moved your post, blackrazor i don't mind the language you use.
My post was about content flame war. you think we don't do a good job modding thats another issue.
But thanks again for twisting the reality.
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You don't see how a polite, constructive well-worded request not to use Crush's thread in this new way belongs in your garbage can?

Ok, well hopefully other members of the TMWC will understand it better.

I consider this a form of social-banning, moving everything I say into your "complaints box" garbage can, which is not even supposed to be for this purpose, it is Crush's thread for another purpose entirely. Crush made this thread to cool down tensions over the server-move and consolidate the many discussions on that specific topic, not to be used in this new way.
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Told you i will you already said it in previous message, you are not a special case. i don't see how this post is in a different topic?
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Whatever it seems to you, it isn't. I only want to preserve Crush's topic as it was. If you have new uses, please consider making a new section or thread for them. Thank you.
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Are you ok?
Want to have a chat where we can insta chat instead of this?
you can upload the chat here later.
Really it seems like you only want to make drama.
Sent: Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:10 am
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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Well, thanks for that exchange blackrazor. we know now that your intention is very polite and constructive.
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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All my words are dizzy from being moved around so much, reorganized, restructured. First in topic "Wushin", then moved to Crush's re-purposed server-move flamewar thread. Then my 2nd attempt "Please no changes to Crush's topic". Which was again moved to Crush's re-purposed server-move flamewar thread. Then our conversation exchange. And finally you pulling out bits and pieces and eventually the whole thing into this thread, which even though it has the same name as the thread I made, has content from "Wushin" thread in it too, which I didn't put in this specific thread (it was in Wushin, not here), and also the "Wushin" stuff is first; even though this is the "Please no changes to Crush's topic" thread, it doesn't lead with the original first post of the thread I originally made with that name. Boy, did you make a lot of un-necessary work for yourself.

Throughout all of it, my request remains the same.

Please stop deleting or moving valid player complaints into a "complaints box" garbage receptacle. Your negative views of specific players should not influence your enforcement duties. And please, stop using Crush's server-move thread as a dumping ground for all manner of unrelated content that does not go there and please change the name of the thread back to what Crush originally made it, as per his intentions of providing a specific place to cool the tensions regarding the server move and consolidate the many topics of discussion around that specific topic into one place.
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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You think i am being sarcastic, but i am not, you see i am the only one out of tmwc engaging in a conversation with you, you think i did wrong, ok. when saying that i am trying to improve, i am not just saying it. I am the noob in the team, so more likely to make mistakes, especially in forum moderation. So engaging with you is a good experience for me, even if i make a lot of mistakes.
I am not sure wushin will answer you, idk how active is crush and our new forum moderator cassy is less active lately. So the active GMs are more likely to take that job from now on. I'll do what i can to make sure that we treat everyone in a fair way from now on and that we don't abuse our powers.
I am sorry if the cost of all of this is the message you are trying to pass.
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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Ok, thanks, I appreciate the reply.

Whether Wushin answers me or not, I don't mind. Or Cassy. Or any other TMWC. Wushin has also deleted my posts on another topic involving something Prsm wrote, and Prsm and I had a good resolution there, too. I do come on strong, but I can be reasoned with, and I absolutely dislike censorship of any kind, except where it is a matter of public safety or similar higher ranking concerns.

And yes, I feel strongly about Crush's thread. It was something he did for the community, to cool the tensions, and it worked. It really should be left as is, with only subject matter relevant to that specific topic going there, and its title put back to reflect its original proper purpose.

I also monitor both the state of the game, as measured by player populations, and an index of forcefulness by staff on the forums. I have no power, except my voice, but know that I watch the watchmen.

Things were better here for many months after o11c left. Everyone was careful to keep within their bounds and respect their limits. And I had only good things to say about it, too. But lately, things have taken a darker turn, with staff again acting outside their comfort zones. And similar reasons that o11c used to give are again bubbling to the surface. Things like blaming the community for not being more involved, or blaming us for not testing / seeing the changes, with really no regard to how the current system really reinforces a behavior of apathy except for a select few. Perhaps it's an unavoidable circle of behavior in humans. But really, it is nothing personal on my part, and I will point it out when I see it. I see that as my service to the community of players, with no disrespect intended.
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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blackrazor wrote:You had no right to arbitrarily move my topic into your garbage space. What rules did it break, for this to be deserved?
You broke the "today rules", its a set of random rules that they apply a day, tomorrow that will be another set of rules, so you will never match with the rules because every day its a someone purpose to change them.

You cant complaint, or you post or thread will go in garbage thread.
Why?
Because it was not the day to complaint.

SriNitayanda complaint about the boobs, but nobody, not even himself move his complaint about the boobs to the garbage thread because it was the day to complain.

Some are lucky some others not.
And you will never know when you can....make you mind about, its not personnal blackrazor, its the rules. :mrgreen:
blackrazor wrote:You had absolutely no right to move that topic I just made into this unrelated place. You are abusing your role as GM, SirNit, and yes, you can consider this an official complaint about you to the TMWC.
Yes he have the right, see he moved all my post in garbage thread, and my post to wushin, he moved it to there, he even can answer instead who are concerned.
He can see complainers tatics before they move.
He can read others ppl thoughts even if they dont thought (if the case happens, he call them brainless).
He can complain.
He can make rules.
His words are rules.
Just follow what he said. Its enough for us who understand nothing, and take all our time to only complain, all days, all months, about everything.

He is multitask gm.
He can even do some coffee if you ask him with sweets words.

And plz dont forget about the "today rules", or you will understand nothing.
SriNitayanda wrote: But you know i didn't spend my day complaining about people who manage a game i don't even play anymore.
Why you dont go away and let the game and your sit in tmwc to someone interested by the game?
SriNitayanda wrote: Were you elected to decide about moderation?
Moderation doesnt means delete, erase, or move.
But perhaps you have your own dictionary?
SriNitayanda wrote: Can we improve? sure we can, but you the usual complainers should improve too, if your tactic is posting your complaints on the forums once every few months and you see no change, maybe its time to change tactic
Yeah complainers are simple minded because a complaint is always a simple thing : complain, so you cant improve it.
But ofc as gm you can elaborate lot of tatics to prevent the simple minded complainers to buzz around the project, and its seems that you have a great imagination about how to do it.
SriNitayanda wrote: Every project got a complaints box.
Oh?
perhaps are you confused with complain and something else?
Every project have a complaints box, and every one is allowed to say im not happy because something doesnt work.
But here no.
Everything is good, everything is marvellous, everything is awesome.
If you are not happy = go in garbage place.
SriNitayanda wrote: Like i did when i disagreed with the boobs change.
yeah and your thread is still at the same place, why?
Why nobody moved your complain?
you can, other cant?
ah yes you are a part of tmwc so you can....

SriNitayanda wrote:You think i am being sarcastic, but i am not, you see i am the only one out of tmwc engaging in a conversation with you
Its the really problem here, you are not allowed to talk instead someone else.
tmwc dont have time to answer?
but tmwc ask to more engament in the project?
How could the tmwc not anwering and at the same time asking ppl to engage?
something is wrong here.
SriNitayanda wrote: you think i did wrong, ok. when saying that i am trying to improve, i am not just saying it. I am the noob in the team, so more likely to make mistakes, especially in forum moderation. So engaging with you is a good experience for me, even if i make a lot of mistakes.
you are not allowed to make mistake when you are in charge of something.
espacially when you are allowed to make sanction about something where you are clearly wrong.
If you are not capable, say it and let your sit to someone else who will do a better job.
It's not your "papa's enterprise" here.
with your "mistake" you hurt ppl.
with your "mistake" you make ppl fly away from the game.
But for you its experience....you will try to improve the next time until there will be no more ppl in game;
You are allowed to make mistake but you allow nobody to make theirs.
Something missing in your way of action, can you see it?
SriNitayanda wrote: I am not sure wushin will answer you
He is the one who said in dec 2014, there is a lack of discussion between the players and the devs, he made meeting in game to talk about things tmwc planned to do.
One year later....he dont even dare answer when someone ask him something, but he is sure that he doing the good thing.
19:24:32 wushin So, can you do something?
19:24:52 Altus I can do nothing.
19:25:07 wushin So you are highly capable of doing nothing?
19:25:20 Altus yerp =D
19:25:31 wushin Crap, im only highly capable of doing something...=/
19:25:34 cassy Its ok wu-wu, we all needs to start somewhere...
19:25:43 deepthought wtf
19:25:46 wushin .....
19:25:52 cassy *pokes* deepthought
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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I made the message only trying to make people more engaged in the development process, i have zero knowledge in development, but i did see that it is about to happen. If i missed the change in a week, it would happen.
The developers do try to keep the community updated about changes, with PMs to the test team and info about upcoming updates in the development section.
I didn't blame anyone it was more like: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". With evil being unpopular change.

Altus what i said to blackrazor and i guess that you don't like, applies to you too.
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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Altus Institute wrote:
You broke the "today rules", its a set of random rules that they apply a day, tomorrow that will be another set of rules, so you will never match with the rules because every day its a someone purpose to change them.

You cant complaint, or you post or thread will go in garbage thread.
Why?
Because it was not the day to complaint.

SriNitayanda complaint about the boobs, but nobody, not even himself move his complaint about the boobs to the garbage thread because it was the day to complain.

Some are lucky some others not.
And you will never know when you can....make you mind about, its not personnal blackrazor, its the rules. :mrgreen:
Sounds like a good Dostoyevsky novel. :D

No worries. Be happy. I appreciate your support. Let's give SirNit a chance though, and see where this leads.
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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SriNitayanda wrote:I made the message only trying to make people more engaged in the development process, i have zero knowledge in development, but i did see that it is about to happen. If i missed the change in a week, it would happen.
The developers do try to keep the community updated about changes, with PMs to the test team and info about upcoming updates in the development section.
I didn't blame anyone it was more like: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". With evil being unpopular change.

Altus what i said to blackrazor and i guess that you don't like, applies to you too.
Except for today's thread frappe, none of it was you, SirNit.

It was Wushin who deleted my post to Prsm.
It was Wushin who renamed Crush's topic and started to put everything he didn't like in there.
It was Wushin who blamed the community's apathy for the Boob fiasco getting as far as it did.

If you are receiving any flak at all, it is because you chose to step into the line of fire when something was directed at Wushin.
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Re: Please no changes to Crush's server-move flamewar topic

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I can't make wushin answer you.
I can try to make, each tmwc member to stick to his job. without any further power abuse.
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