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Summary of things various people have said in this thread:

• I am already being harassed
• the online list has been used to kill or avoid PvP killers
• the online list is public, therefore its aggregation should be public
• the online list is public, but that does not imply its aggregation should be public
• a brief misdirection about company lawyers and courts.
• a brief melee "you did this without knowledge" "no, this was well known"
• lots of misdirection about the GM log that is irrelevant to ordinary players.
• my aside about whispers
• it is magically different if a developer does something with public data, than if a third party does the exact same thing with public data.
• Lots of Nard's posts have broken BBcode.
• Nard uses "data" as a plural, whereas it is usually used as a (singular) collective noun in English

The only thing I noticed on rereading the whole topic, is that mrgrey seems to be talking about the possibility of harassment *of* *GMs* *and* *admins*, for the period in which they are not actively using GM commands.

mistergrey wrote:o11c: Many rather specific examples have been made - if you chose to ignore them, that is your own choice.

Except that, in all honesty, I do not see such a post.
I just reread the whole thread again, especially the first page, just for you, and did not see any description of what kind of harassment this would allow, by ordinary players, to ordinary players.

And I will say *yet* *again*: If one player harasses another, the harassing player should be banned. It's that simple, and not affected at all by whether this data is revealed automatically.

(I would also like to mention, a script that whispers random insults to a player is even shorter that the script to aggregate this data. But by the blowing of the winds, people probably don't want me to post that script)

o11c wrote:If one player harasses another, the harassing player should be banned.

I think your forgetting GM's can only act on what they see...and alot of people who harass others wont do it in front of them. as for everything explained I wont explain it again because as i said before in past posts this thread is going no where.

Regards,

Chicka-Maria wrote:

o11c wrote:If one player harasses another, the harassing player should be banned.

I think your forgetting GM's can only act on what they see...and alot of people who harass others wont do it in front of them.

If GMs do not have the necessary tools, then something needs to be changed. Whisper logging was one possible solution; there are others.

For the case where is is a GM being harassed in the general manner, they have witnessed it and can act.
This is completely unrelated to the GM-specific harassment in the form of pseudo-legitimate questioning of GM actions.

Chicka-Maria wrote:as for everything explained I wont explain it again because as i said before in past posts this thread is going no where.

It is with great regret that I must conclude that you are intentionally rejecting my explicit request, which is not "to repeat yourself", but to point to even a single post in which you gave any such explanation; thus, you have no such post.

Proposed neutral questions for the general player population:

• Have you been harassed in such a manner that a GM has been unable to ban the harasser? If so, what was the manner of this harassment.
• To what extent do you believe that harassment is affected by the harasser knowing when you, personally, are online?

o11c wrote:It is with great regret that I must conclude that you are intentionally rejecting my explicit request, which is not "to repeat yourself", but to point to even a single post in which you gave any such explanation; thus, you have no such post.

Chicka-Maria wrote:people would just stay online until the specific time someone they want to troll is online..the online statistics would help them average it out of how long to wait or exacly when to be online. alot of the people wont bother recording data, alot of people are to lazy to do so. So who wouldn't want the data right infront of them instead of having to do work themselves? People would probably just look at the statistics because they are bored. Alot of trolls wont record the data themselves because it wouldnt be worth it for them to have to do work to get the data but if its right infront of them..hey why not use it

as far as i know thats an example of how they would use it.

o11c wrote:[*]To what extent do you believe that harassment is affected by the harasser knowing when you, personally, are online?[/list]

well they're not going to harass you when your not online, letting them know when your online just gives them the knowledge of When to harass you.

I wont be posting again unless something not in the circle the dog keeps chasing his tail in comes.

Regards,

first thing you do is attack my spelling typical...and I really could care less. Nard it does not take a Mathmatic's to figure it out seems everytime anyone wants to suggest anything to you 011c you try to belittle them or plainly try to bite someone's head off or just try to show how intelligent you are compared to them. I dont see good leadership skills in doin such thing's probly why you don't get along with others well.Peaple do not post here or on irc because of it, why I avoid it. also i would like to add Nard himself told me the list will not be made public is he a liar?? if so I would like to know so I can distribute my items to what is left of my freinds here and leave as a few others already have. have any of you paid attention to how many are online quite low since this post has started.if players leaveing is a good thing to you then mana world will fall apart.. and guess the only way I can prove my point what can be done with it is if I do it myself and show you.regards and this run on is for you

tmwTroLL007 wrote:first thing you do is attack my spelling typical...and I really could care less.

Lack of elementary school education aside, it doesn't take any skill to start a new paragraph so everything is not in a single block of text.

Can someone lock this topic? its going nowhere but insulting now. no use for it to be open...

Regards,

Agreed, when this topic becomes an excuse to mock each other, and the most relevant thing to post about is somebody's spelling/grammar/etc, the topic has run out of anything productive to be discussed. Locked.