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Post by Crush » 01 Nov 2005, 17:21

although tmw is a very small game at the moment, various incidents (Example 1, Example 2) have shown that official server rules are necessary. in the spirit of free software, everybody should be able to contribute to the development of server rules and the rules should be ratifyed by the community.

my suggestion for the process of the development of the server rules is the following:

step 1: call for ideas. everyone can post ideas for server rules and discuss the ideas of other people
step 2: a team of developers composes the server rules based on the suggestions
step 3: the community ratifies the new server rules by a voting. we could do this either with a poll on the themanaworld homepage, by a poll in the forum or we could develop a ingame voting system (such a system could be useful later). Only when the majority of the players accepts the ingame rules they become official. otherwise we have to start at step 1 again until we got server rules which are accepted by the majority of the community.
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Post by ktm » 01 Nov 2005, 18:39

okay, i'll have a go on step one, here's some suggestions:
- no lootstealing
- no botting
- no swearing; at least obfuscate your "dirty" text ("sh!t","fsck" etc, or better yet a simple "beep")
- no blocking npc's (assuming that bug isn't fixed yet. is it?) or doors
- stick with the "official" server language (right now, that'd be "english", unless somebody hosts a 2nd server in another language)
and a few less important options:
- no selling items required for quests (e.g. red stingers)
- no overcharging on casino coins
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Post by Crush » 01 Nov 2005, 18:50

ktm wrote:okay, i'll have a go on step one, here's some suggestions:
- no lootstealing
i agree
- no botting
i agree, but i think the term "botting" has to be defined very exactly.
- no swearing; at least obfuscate your "dirty" text ("sh!t","fsck" etc, or better yet a simple "beep")
- no blocking npc's (assuming that bug isn't fixed yet. is it?) or doors
- stick with the "official" server language (right now, that'd be "english", unless somebody hosts a 2nd server in another language)
i agree. people should be allowed to talk in any language when talking on private channels (when they are implemented) but the public chat should be understandable to everyone.
- no selling items required for quests (e.g. red stingers)
i disagree. people should decide for themself what to do with their loot.
- no overcharging on casino coins
how about a more general no bug exploiting rule?
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Post by ktm » 01 Nov 2005, 19:39

i don't really see the casino coin/overcharge issue as a >bug<, but rather as flawed design. see, from a purely technical point of view, it works just as intended...
anyways, yeah, i guess npc-blocking, coins-overcharging etc could be bundled.
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Post by criptos » 01 Nov 2005, 22:45

Hail Mana!

And what about: Not doing nothing?

What about if we copy the 10n commandments?

The quest for red stingers is quite boring and frustrating...
I remembered the time I was doint that quest. Killing a red scorp was a adventure, and for what? For NOTHING? that was frustrating...

And for the time, I was able to kill red scorps, then it was boring.. :(

We need MORE things to do, not MORE rules...

People become to behave bad, when they have the time for...

I really belive, that thinking about rules, rigth now, are energy wasted. I really prefer a new topic about suggested quest, than to suggest "rules"...

Beside, the more rules you put, the more rules you encourage to break.
Unless rules are system controller, there are no point of "making rules"...
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Post by Gonzalo » 01 Nov 2005, 22:47

ktm wrote:- no lootstealing
I understand this as do not pick up items dropped by monsters killed by other. Am I right?
If so, I do not agree on this rule. Although I have always role-played good characters, those who steal drops and do other questionable activities such as killing characters for fun, are required to create conflict in the game (at least, when PvP is implemented)

If I misunderstood it, then I said nothing :oops:.

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Post by Crush » 01 Nov 2005, 23:17

let me get that straight. so you want a world of anarchy where the strong players can do what they want and constantly pick on the weak people (read: newbie)?

because that would be the result of saying "activate pvp everywhere and let the players solve their conflicts themself".
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Post by Gonzalo » 02 Nov 2005, 17:22

In my (relatively low :oops:) experience in MMO, there are few high level chars who like to pick on newbies. Constant competition to be the best refrains you from going to a place full of maggots and scorpions. Plus, if some sort of abussive penalty is implemented (I think I read something of the like some time ago), even those characters would have to think it twice. This is, of course, IMHO :wink:.

Think about this scenario: an evil player, level 60 or so, arrives to my town (I'm just level 16, got no time to play lately :(), with PvP implemented, and starts killing everyone and everything. Then comes another high level player, a mercenary. A few of us newbies collect as much GP as we can to pay this mercenary, to get rid of the bad guy.
I like that kind of possibilty, rather than having a rule. I think it adds a little something extra to the game.

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Post by ktm » 02 Nov 2005, 17:51

"A few of us newbies collect as much GP as we can to pay this mercenary" ...and can only come up with about 2000gp, so he just leaves :P - newbies tend to be a little low on cash.
you want anarchy, go play quake; you want to swear, go play cs. i think rules are neccessary (as long as you don't overdo it); but for those that like it rough there surely could be some pvp-enabled starting places.
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Post by Modanung » 02 Nov 2005, 18:16

Maybe we could have different rules/laws in different regions/kingdoms.
There could be a barbaric region where PvP is allowed everywhere. And another kingdom where you are under protection of the law. Another kingdom could have just arenafights.
Just an idea.
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Post by Gonzalo » 02 Nov 2005, 18:32

I just tried to give an example of a situation you'd never see if you put too many rules. There could be other nice guys who just do justice for the fun of it. Free of charge.
I like Modanung's idea :wink:.

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Post by Pajarico » 02 Nov 2005, 21:17

Modanung wrote:Maybe we could have different rules/laws in different regions/kingdoms.
There could be a barbaric region where PvP is allowed everywhere. And another kingdom where you are under protection of the law. Another kingdom could have just arenafights.
Just an idea.
I'm with you. Also adding bots or moderators that act like "policemen" so if steal, harass... in his nearbye you should get punished or have PvP rights. So in sort, PvP would only an option in *some* places and if a policeman caughts you. Just another idea.
In places like desert, where no one lives, we could have a "Combat" option or something like that does not recquire a PvP zone, or are we just going for leaving players attack each other like with monsters? I'm a bit confused a bit about this point...
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Post by ktm » 02 Nov 2005, 22:56

some (i don't remember which) mmorpg had an "unlock pvp" feature... you started off immune, and once you started pvp'in you couldn't go back. pvp'ers of couse couldn't attack non-pvp'ers. how about adding something similar as another "protection layer"?

anyways, this thread looks like it's getting very off-topic right now; how about continuing pvp styles in another thread?
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Post by Modanung » 03 Nov 2005, 00:27

Diablo 1 had it I think.

And yes, topics tend to go off-topic. Especially when the topic starts very general, obvious or with complete nonsence. It can also be a mix.
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Post by Crush » 03 Nov 2005, 02:06

so what have we got now:

-no bug exploiting
-no bots
-no intentional blocking of passages
-no swear words or insulting other players
-no lootstealing until pvp is implemented. when pvp is implemented we can discuss about allowing loot stealing in pvp areas.

can we find a consensus here?
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