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Currently the warlord and crusade helm have the same stats. considering the design of the two, I think the crusade should have a higher def. I was thinking along the lines of PLUS 5 def over the warlord But with a either a minus 5 to dex or agl. Opinions?

Physical damage reduction is already absurdly high, 78% before vit reduction. Do you honestly want def values to be buffed even further (to 83%, in your proposal)? If so, why do you believe this is justified?

I still hold the opinion that the systems used here are completely wrong for use with our current content.


---Freeyorp

omfg, I think the crusade should have a higher def´Do you honestly want def values to be buffed even further?
crusade-warlord is 1 and 2, and 2 has to be higher.
if that sounds harsh, we come close to the point where
i dont understand the difference between.

A single additional point of defense would increase the amount of physical damage reduction from 78% to 79%, essentially removing 1/22 (~4.5%) of what little damage gets through (before vit reduction), and this proposal wants 5 points.

Though since either everything needs to be nerfed or an entirely new system needs to be put in place anyway, there could be practical differences between such equipment then.


---Freeyorp

Freeyorp101 wrote:Physical damage reduction is already absurdly high, 78% before vit reduction. Do you honestly want def values to be buffed even further (to 83%, in your proposal)? If so, why do you believe this is justified?

I still hold the opinion that the systems used here are completely wrong for use with our current content.


---Freeyorp

For one thing, it was just a number I pulled out of a hat.
Additionally, the point is there should be differences between the two.. If it makes you feel better, drop the warlord down rather than raise the crusade. Drop it by 3 def and add 3str. Then make the penalty for the crusade minus 3 dex.
To reiterate, I'm just suggesting a difference between the two. Force players to actually weigh the two items rather than just pick the cheaper of the two for the same stats, especially since these are the top echelon helms.

I'm suggesting, basically, that perhaps in some cases that small strokes can work to balance things instead of broad ones

most people try to get a warlord helm in the end anyway, because it looks better.
but if you really need a difference between them, i would not add someonthing on the warlord but rather remove something from the crusade helmet.

but in my opinion there is no change needed,
newer players get the crusade because it is just as good and once they have the gp they get the warlord because it looks good.
Was the same with me. I actually have all three of the helmets

They already have a considerable difference. Warlord weights 900g and Crusade 1300g. I think decreasing(not too much) agility for crusade helmet would be the right thing to do.

Leela wrote:most people try to get a warlord helm in the end anyway, because it looks better.
but if you really need a difference between them, i would not add someonthing on the warlord but rather remove something from the crusade helmet.

but in my opinion there is no change needed,
newer players get the crusade because it is just as good and once they have the gp they get the warlord because it looks good.
Was the same with me. I actually have all three of the helmets

Personally i like the bucket the best.

I would think that because the crusade has full facial coverage it should have a higher def than the warlord. The flip side is because of that coverage there should be a -3 to dex or agility. That said, if you make the warlord's def -3 of the crusade and add +3 strength then they are still on par with each other, but there is a decision to make, more def or more str.