Woodland Village (new attempt)

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Post by EJlol » 19 Mar 2006, 20:25

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Dunno how to say this but: the roof looks flat except the top. (see the two lines)

i think it looks better if it isnt flat. now it looks like a big plank with some straw on it.
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Post by Rotonen » 21 Mar 2006, 00:36

I'm going to be harsh for a bit:

Those wheat, roads, board walls and fences lack immersion. They're just screaming out "Hey, I'm not real, I'm just a prop". Everything is too sharp (the outlines, geometrically) and smooth-ish (like the one coloured texturing done on cheap plastic toys).

In the SoM pictures there are some issues (gridding in the water for example), but somehow everything just "fits in" and "pleases the eye" at the first glance. This is the level of immersion we should thrive for. It doesn't really have to be realistic or all polished out to the very last pixel, but instead it should have the feeling that all the components belong together.

Additionally I think there is a perspective issue with the roof and the wall.

I hope you're stubborn enough to redo stuff time after time after time. At least in the past this has worked for you.
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Post by Techsetsu » 25 Mar 2006, 21:57

There needs to be a shadow on the building side where the roof hangs out over it. That's the first thing I think needs to be corrected.
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Post by knivey » 25 Mar 2006, 22:53

If you could make some perspective calculations where whats closer to you is bigger it would look lots realer
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Post by Modanung » 26 Mar 2006, 04:19

knivey wrote:If you could make some perspective calculations where whats closer to you is bigger it would look lots realer
Lots of reasons not to do that. I'm not going to list them now.
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Post by Pajarico » 26 Mar 2006, 12:37

Modanung wrote:
knivey wrote:If you could make some perspective calculations where whats closer to you is bigger it would look lots realer
Lots of reasons not to do that. I'm not going to list them now.
Agree, and I have yet to see a game that has done that.
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Post by Ultim » 31 Mar 2006, 00:50

Rotonen wrote:Those wheat, roads, board walls and fences lack immersion. They're just screaming out "Hey, I'm not real, I'm just a prop". Everything is too sharp (the outlines, geometrically) and smooth-ish (like the one coloured texturing done on cheap plastic toys).
He's very right, the edges of most things are very basic, not natural. However don't listen to anyone about saturation or any of that crap. Your original color picks are beautiful. And the whole thing gives off a rural feel. Very nicely done, as always.
Rotonen wrote:I hope you're stubborn enough to redo stuff time after time after time. At least in the past this has worked for you.
It's not redoing, it's just tiny adjustments!

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Changed on lateral paths: Thinned shading, made grass bunch, poke out, and recess, thinned shading some more, virtually eliminated shading on bottom edge grass-transfer (from our angle, we shouldn't be able to see the shadow),
See what i mean? Looks more natural now. You still did a really great job though.
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Post by Platyna » 31 Mar 2006, 01:50

Not to put you down (the Woodland map is very nice) Honestly, I don't like that house...especially that wooden stuff. Also, I would like to ask if anyone would be so kind and make that entrance passage wider it is offten blocked by monsters and malicious players.

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Post by Crush » 31 Mar 2006, 02:13

Ultim wrote:Changed on lateral paths: Thinned shading, made grass bunch, poke out, and recess, thinned shading some more, virtually eliminated shading on bottom edge grass-transfer (from our angle, we shouldn't be able to see the shadow),
See what i mean? Looks more natural now. You still did a really great job though.
i think the edge looks a lot too irregular now.

don't worry about the paths. i already know how to fix them.
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Post by yosuhara » 31 Mar 2006, 02:25

Crush wrote:
Ultim wrote:Changed on lateral paths: Thinned shading, made grass bunch, poke out, and recess, thinned shading some more, virtually eliminated shading on bottom edge grass-transfer (from our angle, we shouldn't be able to see the shadow),
See what i mean? Looks more natural now. You still did a really great job though.
i think the edge looks a lot too irregular now.

don't worry about the paths. i already know how to fix them.
but our world is full of "bugs" and irregularities... it is them what makes him real :)
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Post by Ultim » 31 Mar 2006, 08:21

Too irregular... you have a funny philosophy of art, Mr. Crush. As you will then.
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Post by maci » 01 Apr 2006, 08:16

keep up the good work crush.
its just seems you need some time to do a tileset but the final versions of sth are always great :)
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Post by Rotonen » 03 Apr 2006, 21:27

My barking about the shading is related to the house, I should've been more specific.
It just reminds me of the plastic toy fort (a toy set of the good old politically correct cavalry vs. indians feud) I had as a kid.
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Post by Crush » 06 Apr 2006, 16:21

i think i got rid of some critique points:
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Post by yosuhara » 06 Apr 2006, 19:28

nice work crush, i like it
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