[WIP] making a shadow mob

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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:20 pm

updated head..

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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:45 am

this is a demo sheet of the attack parts ......
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by nmaligec » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:49 am

Wow very impressive. After seeing the new base-attack (hereafter referred to as base1) and base2 layers, I am convinced this will work out as a very effective shadow. Here are my thoughts: base1 will always be at ~75%-85% (shadow part) and base2 will be barely visible when standing and ~50% when moving. The bones (base2) will become 100% visible when attacking.

There is one thing I would like to see on the base1 layer. What would it look like if the arms and bottom had ~3px Gaussian Blur on them? The head and part of the chest are a bit blurry, though the rest has sharp lines. I know this is the effect you are going for, but I was just wondering what it would look like if it were all blurry like a shadow. If the arms end up loosing too much definition and look like blobs, tell me and post the result so I will know it was a bad idea.

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maybe if the arms look bad blurred post a version with sharp edges for the arms, but with the rest blurred.
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:17 am

needs testing....(the red and green is to help size the frames)....

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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by salmondine » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:31 am

I made this off the earlier smaller sprite sheet.
I used purple on the shadowbase just to see what it looked like.
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12 frames 80ms per frame.
the one horn looks like it needs some love idk...if making the shadow bigger or defining the horn is better
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by nmaligec » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:52 am

Wow you really outdid yourself skipy!! You got the blur on the hands PERFECT! They look smokey/undefined in a very eery way. The contrast in definition compared to the other parts which are more blurry creates a creepy effect that seems to rattle in the back of your primal mind. It still needs some work though, to get it ready for xml and testing.

I posted a version with all the frames for stand, attack, and walk represented (outlined yellow, red and green respectively). The empty frames 2, 6, 8, 10 and the ones in the columns below them are just for the standing frames that will be added in by the xml. I thought I would put in empty frames beside as a reminder that each of the existing frames will HAVE TO blend with the standing frames represented by those empty slots! NOTE: the 4rth attack frame is just a copy of the 2nd and will be added by xml, its just for reference and to help me visualize the sequence.
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A few things I noticed when checking for alignment and symmetries. the length of the body for the side frames is too short. I added a black line to show the 50 px height. The second longer black line is a reference for the length of the arms in the standing frames. I think the standing frames should have about the same look from each direction. This means altering the 'down' facing frame to match the other standing frames. Its arms should be by its sides with the width of the arms hanging (not including the hands) to be about the width of the 3rd black line on the top of the frame. This matches the 'up' facing version. Also get the hands to align with the 2nd black line (standing arm length).

This means having to significantly alter the walk frames for 'down' and 'left'/'right'. For the 'down' frame you need to stretch the arms to align with the bottom of the 2nd black line. I thought the side walk should be redone using the side standing frame as a reference (I cut the walk frames and placed the standing frame where it would be in the walk cycle as a guide to what it should look like before and after). The 'up' facing walk frames seem to be the best fit.


QUICK RECAP:
1. Redo the down standing frame so the arms hang by its sides like in the other stand frames (match 3rd and 2nd ref lines).

2. Lengthen all side frame body lengths so they match the length of the body in up/down frames (1rst ref line)

3. Lengthen the arms in the down walk frames (2nd ref line)

4. Redo the side walk frames to better match the side standing frames.


PS: the red/green pattern is not needed, just the widthXheight of a frame. In gimp I go to Image->Configure Grid and set the grid size, then View->Show Grid and View->Snap to Grid and voila I'm ready for sprite editing.
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by yourmistakes » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:19 am

i'm actually really impressed with the work here. if done properly, we could easily get 4 or 5 mobs from the concepts.
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:13 pm

ill pick this back up soon..-----skipy
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:39 pm

nmaligec wrote:Wow you really outdid yourself skipy!! You got the blur on the hands PERFECT! They look smokey/undefined in a very eery way. The contrast in definition compared to the other parts which are more blurry creates a creepy effect that seems to rattle in the back of your primal mind. It still needs some work though, to get it ready for xml and testing.

I posted a version with all the frames for stand, attack, and walk represented (outlined yellow, red and green respectively). The empty frames 2, 6, 8, 10 and the ones in the columns below them are just for the standing frames that will be added in by the xml. I thought I would put in empty frames beside as a reminder that each of the existing frames will HAVE TO blend with the standing frames represented by those empty slots! NOTE: the 4rth attack frame is just a copy of the 2nd and will be added by xml, its just for reference and to help me visualize the sequence.
shadow_96x128.png
A few things I noticed when checking for alignment and symmetries. the length of the body for the side frames is too short. I added a black line to show the 50 px height. The second longer black line is a reference for the length of the arms in the standing frames. I think the standing frames should have about the same look from each direction. This means altering the 'down' facing frame to match the other standing frames. Its arms should be by its sides with the width of the arms hanging (not including the hands) to be about the width of the 3rd black line on the top of the frame. This matches the 'up' facing version. Also get the hands to align with the 2nd black line (standing arm length).

This means having to significantly alter the walk frames for 'down' and 'left'/'right'. For the 'down' frame you need to stretch the arms to align with the bottom of the 2nd black line. I thought the side walk should be redone using the side standing frame as a reference (I cut the walk frames and placed the standing frame where it would be in the walk cycle as a guide to what it should look like before and after). The 'up' facing walk frames seem to be the best fit.


QUICK RECAP:
1. Redo the down standing frame so the arms hang by its sides like in the other stand frames (match 3rd and 2nd ref lines).

2. Lengthen all side frame body lengths so they match the length of the body in up/down frames (1rst ref line)

3. Lengthen the arms in the down walk frames (2nd ref line)

4. Redo the side walk frames to better match the side standing frames.


PS: the red/green pattern is not needed, just the widthXheight of a frame. In gimp I go to Image->Configure Grid and set the grid size, then View->Show Grid and View->Snap to Grid and voila I'm ready for sprite editing.

thanks thanks ...this is quite help and im "now" back on point with this... ---skipy
yourmistakes wrote:i'm actually really impressed with the work here. if done properly, we could easily get 4 or 5 mobs from the concepts.
i agree ..and thx mr. takes :wink: :twisted:
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:25 pm

question--dose a shadow mob need a shadow under it?-----skipy
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by Wombat » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:46 pm

It is more desirable to add a shadow particle effect...this is still something that needs worked on.
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:18 am

i will put a shadow under it soonish...
i have started the grafix bud clean-up....

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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by nmaligec » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:32 pm

No shadows needed, this mob is mostly transparent.

One last thing I noticed was that it has a few stray white pixels around the edges. It is most noticeable on a black background, which is how it will be spawned in game.
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:10 am

i add to and played around with some placements...

its late i sleep----skipy
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by diogorbg » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:17 pm

Hello everyone,
I really enjoyed this monster and I thought a pity he has not completed the work.
I did some personal modifications to add it to the server 'BR The Mana World' in time for Halloween.
I hope you enjoy, or to give suggestions.
pt-br wrote:Olá a todos,
Gostei muito desse monstro e achei uma pena que ele não tenha concluído o trabalho.
Eu fiz umas modificações pessoais para adicioná-lo ao servidor 'The Mana World BR' a tempo do Halloween.
Espero que gostem, ou que deem sugestões.
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<monster id="345" name="Espectro Sombrio" summon="espectroSombrio">
	<sprite>monsters/espectro-sombrio.xml</sprite>
	<attack id="1" missile-particle="graphics/particles/golpe-trevas.particle.xml"/>
</monster>
It is true that moving pictures are missing. But the death animation is well crafted. In XML the movement of the monster is pretty cool. And the attack is also very good using particle effects.
pt-br wrote:É verdade que os quadros de movimentação estão em falta. Mas a animação de morte é bem trabalhada. No XML a movimentação do monstro fica bem legal. E o ataque também fica muito bom usando efeitos de partículas.
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