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You can't just stop being a developer. You contributed to the game and influenced it. I prefer that you heal your hand and come back into development.

I will not accept your candidature.

Regards.

Platyna wrote:You can't just stop being a developer. You contributed to the game and influenced it. I prefer that you heal your hand and come back into development.

Can you please clarify what the reason for this silly split between developers and GMs is? There is a thread here: http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... 12&t=16807. Every GM contributes to the game and influences it in their ways.

As the poll demonstrates a lot of people (also many high ranked devs) would like to see tux as GM. It also looks like the lack of GMs in his timezone looks real.

So could you please explain why this rule is there which looks more blocking than helping to me?

Regards
Ablu

Platyna wrote:You can't just stop being a developer. You contributed to the game and influenced it. I prefer that you heal your hand and come back into development.

I will not accept your candidature.

Regards.

*fears that we loose both a good dev and a potential good GM*

I can see only one solution to this problem:

Make Tux9th an administrator
He can help Jenalya and Frost (and maybe yourself) who are actually a bit overloaded, He can fill many holes in GM presence, he will be able to come back to development

Note: Another advantage is that he doesn't require the 60 votes so there is no need to change the rules

Nard wrote:I can see only one solution to this problem:

Make Tux9th an administrator
He can help Jenalya and Frost (and maybe yourself) who are actually a bit overloaded, He can fill many holes in GM presence, he will be able to come back to development

Note: Another advantage is that he doesn't require the 60 votes so there is no need to change the rules

really? ...He wasn't on the development team long (due to not being able to handle trolls) and has been on tmw barely a year... he wouldn't fill holes in GM presence, the holes he fills are with his alt tux9 that sits in town afk 24/7. Sorry but making him an admin or even considering giving him even more power than a gm would be foolish.

Considering we already have 2 lovely Active admins, we don't need another.

regards,

Chicka-Maria wrote:he wouldn't fill holes in GM presence, the holes he fills are with his alt tux9 that sits in town afk 24/7.

Just because it sits there seemingly afk doesn't mean I don't listen.

Chicka-Maria wrote:Sorry but making him an admin or even considering giving him even more power than a gm would be foolish.

I love it how you fixate on power instead of qualification. But to calm your nerves I do not fit the profile for being an admin and I don't want to be an admin.

Nard wrote:*fears that we loose both a good dev and a potential good GM*

This might cost the team a potential GM but I haven't been a Dev in a long time and I do not intend to start developing again so something that has already been lost cannot be lost again.

Platyna wrote:You can't just stop being a developer. You contributed to the game and influenced it. I prefer that you heal your hand and come back into development.

I will not accept your candidature.

Regards.

A rule is a rule and if you do not want to bend it so be it. I wanted to help if my help is not wanted there is not much I can do. No hard feelings.

greets

Chicka-Maria wrote: really? ...He wasn't on the development team long (due to not being able to handle trolls) and has been on tmw barely a year... he wouldn't fill holes in GM presence, the holes he fills are with his alt tux9 that sits in town afk 24/7. Sorry but making him an admin or even considering giving him even more power than a gm would be foolish.

Considering we already have 2 lovely Active admins, we don't need another.

regards,

Yes Tux9th was not was not long in development team, but, during this short time, he made a more noticeable job than you made as a dev (I should say as two devs) since you play. In less than a year Tux, knows better the game mechanisms than many of us, including you and me. In less than a year, Tux also wrote more wiki lines than you did since you play the game. More he learns very fast, faster than most of us... His knowledge cannot include player knowledge and the bad faith they are able to show. Tux is still a testing server administrator, this is the point that make me say he is able to do the Job.

Considering that after, Jenalya's own words, she is busy a lot, and that administrating TMW is an extra load that may penalize her development tasks; considering that according to Frost's own words, he fas new real life constraints, considering that in the past TMW had 3 or more Active admins while the development was far less active (there is still a GM80 too), I do think that Tux9th would be at least as helpful as admin than as a dev or GM, (more than as GM in my own opinion).

Your post is either a troll or the expression of jealousy, envy and frustrated ambition that makes you blind about this game's interests.

Nard wrote:

Chicka-Maria wrote: really? ...He wasn't on the development team long (due to not being able to handle trolls) and has been on tmw barely a year... he wouldn't fill holes in GM presence, the holes he fills are with his alt tux9 that sits in town afk 24/7. Sorry but making him an admin or even considering giving him even more power than a gm would be foolish.

Considering we already have 2 lovely Active admins, we don't need another.

regards,

Yes Tux9th was not was not long in development team, but, during this short time, he made a more noticeable job than you made as a dev (I should say as two devs) since you play. In less than a year Tux, knows better the game mechanisms than many of us, including you and me. In less than a year, Tux also wrote more wiki lines than you did since you play the game. More he learns very fast, faster than most of us... His knowledge cannot include player knowledge and the bad faith they are able to show. Tux is still a testing server administrator, this is the point that make me say he is able to do the Job.

Considering that after, Jenalya's own words, she is busy a lot, and that administrating TMW is an extra load that may penalize her development tasks; considering that according to Frost's own words, he fas new real life constraints, considering that in the past TMW had 3 or more Active admins while the development was far less active (there is still a GM80 too), I do think that Tux9th would be at least as helpful as admin than as a dev or GM, (more than as GM in my own opinion).

Your post is either a troll or the expression of jealousy, envy and frustrated ambition that makes you blind about this game's interests.

First off, Just because someone doesnt agree with you it doesnt mean they are jealous or blind.

And your right tux has done a lot as a Dev maybe platyna was right and he should go back to it if he wants to help the game more. Would be a shame to lose someone who does so much development for it as you said.

regards,
Chicka

Chicka-Maria wrote:First off, Just because someone doesnt agree with you it doesnt mean they are jealous or blind.

Sure, but you are not someone.

And your right tux has done a lot as a Dev maybe platyna was right and he should go back to it if he wants to help the game more. Would be a shame to lose someone who does so much development for it as you said.

Here I do agree with you. But it seems it is going to happen. Whose fault? Maybe he and others could come back (or join) to irc or any form of development and communication tool if all members could restrain themselves from troling, from taking any critic as a personal attack and give fake answers, from depising the project they are supposed to contribute to, and from seeking for a power that is only a virtual one in a tiny (but nice) project.
I suggested Tux9th as an admin (as a GM too, as a dev too) because it could solve many problems and conciliate many points of views, including Tux's and Platyna's one. and it is TMW's interest. Please recover your common sense, face reality and show us again the nice person you can be.

Nard wrote:

Chicka-Maria wrote:First off, Just because someone doesnt agree with you it doesnt mean they are jealous or blind.

Sure, but you are not someone.

And your right tux has done a lot as a Dev maybe platyna was right and he should go back to it if he wants to help the game more. Would be a shame to lose someone who does so much development for it as you said.

Here I do agree with you. But it seems it is going to happen. Whose fault? Maybe he and others could come back (or join) to irc or any form of development and communication tool if all members could restrain themselves from troling, from taking any critic as a personal attack and give fake answers, from depising the project they are supposed to contribute to, and from seeking for a power that is only a virtual one in a tiny (but nice) project.
I suggested Tux9th as an admin (as a GM too, as a dev too) because it could solve many problems and conciliate many points of views, including Tux's and Platyna's one. and it is TMW's interest. Please recover your common sense, face reality and show us again the nice person you can be.

Everyone is a someone, just saying..

I am also part of the mana world community and can see/hear people who don't want to speak up due people like you argueing them all the time when they have something different to say than you do.

I do have common sense, which is why i voted no and dont think its a good idea. Because i seen characteristics of tux you haven't seen obviously. I am facing reality, maybe you should do the same.

I am done argueing on this forum, its a waste of time and tux already posted he does not want to be a admin.

regards,

Chicka-Maria wrote:(due to not being able to handle trolls)

I only wanted to make clear that these trolls were you (Chicka-Maria) and Reid if I got the story right. Everybody knows that you and tux do not like each other a lot.

So better stop writing crap and try to get along with each other.

Regards
Ablu

Ablu wrote:

Chicka-Maria wrote:(due to not being able to handle trolls)

I only wanted to make clear that these trolls were you (Chicka-Maria) and Reid if I got the story right. Everybody knows that you and tux do not like each other a lot.

So better stop writing crap and try to get along with each other.

Regards
Ablu

Actually it wasn't me and I'm not a troll, but i will not point names. If you want to know you can ask tux yourself. Please get your story straight before assuming.

Also someone can feel free to move the last few posts to somewhere else on the forum, this is not on topic anymore.

regards,

I'm kind of disgusted by where this topic has gone. None of you will get anywhere by insulting each other, or each other's contributions to the game. It's nice to see how many have such a spiteful side, though.

Ablu: Funny you should name names, because this has actually been an issue for a while. The dev team should be able to be a cohesive group that's capable of working together... but at the same time, you have to form your own opinions, preferably without just listening to the other devs. I saw tux respond very badly to Meway when he returned, and tbh he wasn't really misbehaving/trolling, but he certainly did get called a troll and have his past brought up - by someone who didn't know him. It seemed like tux took everyone else's opinion of Meway to heart and made up his mind long before ever encountering him.

Nard: Luckily, you are not in any official way entitled to rank the devs or their contributions. I would hope you can understand why devolving to insulting each other or our work, won't help anyone.

Chicka did rather forcefully claim the team does not need a new admin, before any such discussion happened... but she was responding to the topic, about tux. I am disappointed that the default response to statements people disagree with is to insult and belittle someone's work.

Lastly - the developers do need to be able to work together on things, but they definitely do not need to share the same opinions 100% of the time. If you react based on others' opinions or stories rather than your own experiences, you risk making an uninformed troll of yourself in the process. Personally I observed things about tux earlier that left me hesitant, including the fight with Meway - but I've also seen a lot of good qualities and determination since, and it's unfortunate he's rejected just because he dared to help add to this game at some point in the past.

I can't fault tux for responding badly to meway ...we've all done that.

mistergrey wrote: Ablu: Funny you should name names, because this has actually been an issue for a while. The dev team should be able to be a cohesive group that's capable of working together... but at the same time, you have to form your own opinions, preferably without just listening to the other devs. I saw tux respond very badly to Meway when he returned, and tbh he wasn't really misbehaving/trolling, but he certainly did get called a troll and have his past brought up - by someone who didn't know him. It seemed like tux took everyone else's opinion of Meway to heart and made up his mind long before ever encountering him.

As i already said in the other post: Sorry if this came over more attacking and off topic than it was planned. The only thing i wanted to say is that Chicka-Maria and tux had a argument about a map some when shortly before tux quit. And due to this early "rather forcefully claim the team does not need a new admin" and her previous statements made my common sense thinking that she is still somehow personally mad at tux.

I did not had meway in mind, sorry.

Regards
Ablu


OT: congratulations to your 444th post mistergrey.
Looks like your hair slowly becomes grey
(sorry about posting offtopic to a warning about offtopic)

LOL... Your offtopic reply is forgiven, because you made a grey hair joke >.>

*punishes himself for being off topic*.