blackrazor wrote: 1) You didn't carefully read any explanation that I wrote.
2) You didn't understand any explanation that I wrote.
3) You didn't want to believe any explanation that I wrote.
4) You are pretending but really having some fun trolling.
Yes sure you've tried your best to try to change every one point of view.veryape wrote: I tried my best. You have had your chance to bring facts to the table for nearly three years. You have failed to do so as far as I am aware. You have only made examples like painting walls and stuff and it seems like we are talking past eachother.
i remind the discussion i got with sritnitay, you do the same with this discussion.
We talk about something and you talk about something else using the same word and terms, trying to match under the same definition things who are totally different.
And you try to put everything upside down, letting everyone confuse about this topic.
Just continue your game.
After all its your playground.
blackrazor im just surprise that you dont get it from the time you speak with them.
She dont try to tell that she is the exclusive owner of the data.veryape wrote: Anyhow, to remind you, you had the exact same argument three years ago, read this and continue where you left off to show why you still think that Platyna is the exclusive owner to the data rather than the Project owning the data.
And veryape be carefull about what you called "data".
Read the previous post to have a clear mind about all of "data" definition.
In her case, its crystal clear.
And its clear too, that what you call "data" is an opensource project that everyone can have a copy for his own interest.
And Platyna is not arguing about having or to be called the opensource project owner.
She claim the "data" called database players, that means log in, password, email, that you took on her server.
And there is nothing else.
And its clear too, that if you want to start a fork of the original opensource project, it will take time to see people coming on your server.
And its for this reason that the people stole these "data", or their fork will be forget in some lost dungeon.
See land of fire case, even if this server have more content for players, players dont go there because there is no others players online.
And this will be the case of this project/fork if you didnt took player database on the Platinum server.
You have the right to have a copy of the original work. Nobody say the contrary.
You dont have to take players login, its what Platyna talked about all this time.
You cant take land of fire player database, you cant take Brazil or german server player database.
What thing helping you to think that you can do it with the Platinum server?
Obviously you cant.
Its what Platyna talking about and nothing else.
You can leave a project leads to do your own.
See the case with all Ubuntu fork.
But in any case you can take the player database for your own use.
From now, I call you all, (tmwc, gm, administrators) to stop confusing this topic.
All things are clear.
If from your point of view, things are not clear and you think that you still have the right to take the player database from a server to use it on another.
I will consider that you have a bad spirit about all of this, and not only me.
And if you continue to talk to confuse reader about this topic almost closed that only means that you knew that you have done something that you shouldnt.
Ty for your consideration.
[/quote]veryape wrote: Don't miss out on what Bjorn thought and what Elven thought, She is not the founder of tmw, not the first host. I think it is clear that Platyna changed history along the way - trying to get people to think that she is the founder of the project and the sole owner of it. She was a host - she didn't even own the data according to her own rules as she stated them on her machines. Read that thread and come back with arguments that further your position or shows my position as wrong.
She changed nothing.
She always spoke about one and only thing, the player database who contain players log in, password and email (and more).
She dont and she didnt claimed the ownership of an opensource project.
She claim to be the leader, over a team that she trusted, who took the players database for their own use.
Plus, in all this discussion and topics you showed some interesting things.
Someone can remove to the owner his rights if he try to sink his own opensource project. And at this moment it seems that you clearly dont match with the original spirit of this project that is to build a game freely reachable from who want to play with it.
Perhaps it was not in Elvenprommers spirit to do it.
But Platyna as leader of the ghp tended to do it.
That means that you sink her project insight to bring up yours instead.
and for this goal you dropped the opensource client to officially take a private and personal client that allow to connect to a fork under specifical conditions, working or being a friend of the tmwc and his insight of the project.
Platyna server was removed from manaplus server list for personal reason.
She insulted someone?
Who in her situation will not insulting someone recognized as harmful.
So insults was not the purpose for your team to remove her from the server list.
You know that if you let her access, little by little the player go back on her server, because the tmwc change the project purpose.
For this reason you dropped the opensource client project who allow everyone to have his own fork and his own free client to be free of the tmwc influence.
At this time even the "old" client dont allow people to connect on the platinum server.
And the official client dont have in his list the platinum server.
Can we make a manaplus fork?
Am i wrong?
The only signification of this is : or you work with and for me or you cant have a fork for your own where players can go.
For an opensource project this is not acceptable.
Or you are free to do whatever you want with it, or not.
Or its a private project, in this case nobody have a word to say about it.
Or its an opensource project and the tmwc behaviour is unacceptable.