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• All skulls
• All goblins
• All mushrooms (they use spore cloud attacks)
• Jack O
• Bees (they represent a swarm)
• Wisps
• Spectres
• Poltergeists
• Ball Lightning
• Blue Spark
• Red Spark
• Luvia
• Demonic Spirit

Jaxad0127 wrote:The test server currently has all monsters giving splash damage. This is weird for most monsters. Others, though, should have splash damage.

Splash damage means that every player character in a certain range will get damaged. The target of the attack will take more damage, though.

Proposed list of splash damaging monsters:

• All skulls
• All goblins
• All mushrooms (they use spore cloud attacks)
• Jack O
• Bees (they represent a swarm)
• Wisps
• Spectres
• Poltergeists
• Ball Lightning
• Blue Spark
• Red Spark
• Luvia
• Demonic Spirit

Big Crunch wrote:

Jaxad0127 wrote:The test server currently has all monsters giving splash damage. This is weird for most monsters. Others, though, should have splash damage.

Splash damage means that every player character in a certain range will get damaged. The target of the attack will take more damage, though.

Proposed list of splash damaging monsters:

• All skulls
• All goblins
• All mushrooms (they use spore cloud attacks)
• Jack O
• Bees (they represent a swarm)
• Wisps
• Spectres
• Poltergeists
• Ball Lightning
• Blue Spark
• Red Spark
• Luvia
• Demonic Spirit

Do you have an idea on how they should deal splash damage? Meaning, for example, mushrooms should deal splash damage to everything in a one tile radius, goblins should deal damage to all on a single tile, but not surrounding tiles, etc.

tux9th wrote:If bees do splash damage you should remove them from Hurnscald because nothing is more annoying than **** who run around with a swarm of bees attacking them killing everyone ideling in town

Chicka-Maria wrote:Was there not already a splash damage test? I thought a majority of the game voted no and thats why it wasn't added. I still cant say I would enjoy this in game especially the skulls and such they already do so much damage to one person anybody can drag monsters to someone and abuse them constantly by killing them using the splash damage effect.

o11c wrote:

Chicka-Maria wrote:Was there not already a splash damage test? I thought a majority of the game voted no and thats why it wasn't added. I still cant say I would enjoy this in game especially the skulls and such they already do so much damage to one person anybody can drag monsters to someone and abuse them constantly by killing them using the splash damage effect.

For global use, yes. But now I know how to enable it on a per-monster basis. But didn't I already fix the town problem?

o11c wrote:

Chicka-Maria wrote:Was there not already a splash damage test? I thought a majority of the game voted no and thats why it wasn't added. I still cant say I would enjoy this in game especially the skulls and such they already do so much damage to one person anybody can drag monsters to someone and abuse them constantly by killing them using the splash damage effect.

For global use, yes. But now I know how to enable it on a per-monster basis. But didn't I already fix the town problem?

At the moment some mobs have splash damage: bees, white and blue slimes, Luvia.

Nard wrote:

o11c wrote:

Chicka-Maria wrote:Was there not already a splash damage test? I thought a majority of the game voted no and thats why it wasn't added. I still cant say I would enjoy this in game especially the skulls and such they already do so much damage to one person anybody can drag monsters to someone and abuse them constantly by killing them using the splash damage effect.

For global use, yes. But now I know how to enable it on a per-monster basis. But didn't I already fix the town problem?

Chicka is right and splash damage was even pushed to main server for a while ( thus tested in real dimension). It showed big issues and inconsistencies (undead especially). At the moment some mobs have splash damage: bees, white and blue slimes, Luvia.
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Among Jaxad's examples which are not already effective I retain only mushrooms, for the reason he gave, but in my opinion splash damage would make sense if there was elemental damage. With the exception of blast I don't see why physical attacks should splash. Also some mobs are tough enough not to introduce more difficulties which would break the actual balance.

Note: Demonic spirits + Lag = huge splash damage ( try Illia sisters quest please)

v0id wrote:At the moment, Luvia doesn't have the 3x3 splash damage she was supposed to have, due to limitations, though its design says she should.

The other mobs you mentioned do not exactly have splash damage, but deal splash damage on self destruct.

-1102,Luvia@SC_SPLASHER,any,189,1,10000,0,10000,no,target,always,0,,,,,, 

1049,Bee@NPC_SELFDESTRUCTION,attack,175,1,1000,0,500,yes,self,notintown,0,30,...

Big Crunch wrote:physical attacks shouldn't splash, but this list has no physical attacks. skulls project clouds, as do the goblins, wisps show a nah type attack but are essentially balls of light, doing (in my opinion) some kind of magical damage, the Sparks and lightning balls do electricity etc. the trick will be making them splash only on the tiles they are attacking. When it was first pushed, they just did a basic splash that was ill conceived. this should be much more accurate.

Nard wrote:

Big Crunch wrote:physical attacks shouldn't splash, but this list has no physical attacks. skulls project clouds, as do the goblins, wisps show a nah type attack but are essentially balls of light, doing (in my opinion) some kind of magical damage, the Sparks and lightning balls do electricity etc. the trick will be making them splash only on the tiles they are attacking. When it was first pushed, they just did a basic splash that was ill conceived. this should be much more accurate.

All the damages you describes are elemental damages which not implemented in game. Poison skull should for example poison all beings aroud, fire mobs burn in in the shoot direction. Why should wisps ploltergeist and spectre splash instead of while they focus on a single target?. This is why I said the splash should not be a physical attack which it is at the moment (the only avaialble one). Also if Splash is implemented it should affect all beeings around and scattered through them and decrease with distance. If mobs can splash players should be able to splash too (with the advantages and incoveniences); but we discussed all this already...
I think the fruit is not ripe enough. We should probably design a specific mob to test what is possible to do before spreading it to existing ones.

Nard wrote: All the damages you describes are elemental damages which not implemented in game. Poison skull should for example poison all beings aroud, fire mobs burn in in the shoot direction. Why should wisps ploltergeist and spectre splash instead of while they focus on a single target?. This is why I said the splash should not be a physical attack which it is at the moment (the only avaialble one). Also if Splash is implemented it should affect all beeings around and scattered through them and decrease with distance. If mobs can splash players should be able to splash too (with the advantages and incoveniences); but we discussed all this already...
I think the fruit is not ripe enough. We should probably design a specific mob to test what is possible to do before spreading it to existing ones.

Big Crunch wrote:]I disagree that splash should affect all beings around. The poison skull sprays poison in a specific direction. All players directly in the path of that spray should recieve splash damage. It can be debated whether the players on either side of the direct spray should be affected.

Regarding the wisps, et al, I've never seen them as a purely physical entity. I mean they are floating balls of light. It can be debated whether they use purely physical attacks.

Just to make sure we are on the same page, I understand that the server doesnt currently differentiate between physical and elemental attacks. I'm just referring to the overall concept of the mob, rather than the server's application of damage.

BC