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i would like to talk about hitting a Spiky mushroom to aggro it is now a ban offense any thoghts... its been done for many years now in tmw but suddenly once evil magic hit tmw it seems to be a bannable offense.I was un aware and under the impression it wasen't.... but i was banned for it and had the topic quickly locked.soo hear it is.. it could have been handled way better by melikior.. specially since i am in guild with him and if it became a issue first and foremost he should have said something to me...or even better the others in my guild have known what i was doing and it wasen't a issue then.i tryed to explain to mel he did not want to hear what I had to say his explanation was its a bug. i know it isn't since we have been doing it since the begining of tmw and never ever have i seen anyone banned for it.if not why am i the first to get hit with a ban for aggroing shrooms?or snakes because they do more dmg well theres 6 to 8 spiky shroons theres only 3 snakes. Idn what your issue was but i was haveing fun playing a new evil mage class. i was playing my character evil isnt that what evil peaple do kill ?? and i got a ban for it.. i belive was handled improperly by him and would like my appology and that warning removed..if it is a bug put it on the report list or on the update list for all to know...

We have a rule: don't abuse other players.

If you're arguing about what exactly that means, chances are that you shouldn't be doing it.

Also, we no longer have a crazy dictator who will abuse at any GM who actually, you know, *thinks*.

if you knew me 011c you would know i never break the rules.. only reason i got the ban was i gave mel the fig by casting again.but the matter at hand is why last two days ive been doing this and melkior himself narus silent dawn and frosty have listend to me talk about it in guild chat and nothing was mentioned it was illegal..so think on that a lil and not my spelling.

I think my duties as server admin don't relate to this sort of thing unless it causes problems to the server or our ability to support the game.

For what it's worth, I think the new effects are both amusing and also appropriate for "dark magic" (which I understand to be slightly evil).

I understand how my dual roles as player and admin can sometimes be confusing, and I'm sorry that this is what happened.

tmwTroLL007 wrote:melkior himself narus silent dawn and frosty have listend to me talk about it in guild chat and nothing was mentioned it was illegal

This is untrue. I wasn't even 100 percent sure Ulith was your character until I recalled you to botcheck and you started talking. The only thing I knew was that you were my guildmate, and that came as a shock. I've been on the lookout for you for 2 days, getting reports about your behaviour, but I couldn't catch you online. So I was rather surprised to find out that offender "Ulith" was actually my guildmate.

I haven't seen any guild chat in which you have stated what you were doing. Had I seen it, I would've done the same thing. When I'm @hide, I don't get the guild chat.

However, I am a GM first. The guild comes second when I'm on duty. If anything, I'll expect more from my guildmates, and be harsher when dealing with them.

Frost wrote:For what it's worth, I think the new effects are both amusing and also appropriate for "dark magic" (which I understand to be slightly evil).

I don't find anything amusing or appropriate about it when it's used to grief new players, something this game is running short on, anyway.

i guess it pays to be social in guild dont it you did get invited didnt you? and everyone else knows it was my new evil mage and i was playing him accordinglyas a evil summon mage.i tryed to tell you whitch is why you should have been patent and let me explain b4 warping me to bfe and then back

if it is to become a new rule so be it abuse now should read.. (aggroing summons to hit random players) as one of the text rules.

Not everyone pays attention to guild chat Troll...and not to mention I had no idea who you were either, so not everyone in the guild knew who you were and what you were up to. All I saw was that there was this new player in guild who was laughing about killing newbies in Tul and trying to get the rest of the guild to make it seem like it was funny and a good thing to go about doing.

You can 'play' an evil mage without being a jerk to players. Why on earth, when you *know* this game has a tiny playerbase, would you even think of harassing new players? Griefing is a good way to get good people to leave.

Amusing yes Frost, but to abuse new players when they are still figuring this game out? Or to intentionally summon and then aggro just to kill people in town? Had this been around when I was new, and someone intentionally killed me just to be a jerk...I would have assumed the whole game was like that and quickly uninstalled. This place takes so much effort to get to know and we need to keep the people who can make it a bad experience as far away from the new players as possible.

If we must deal with the new evil magic this way...at least let us have Hurns and Tul as safe places to park a character and stop allowing summoning in towns. Also, don't allow the summons where the brand new players spawn...it's not fair to them that our high level players have to feel the need to feed their egos and be jerks.

Rule number 1 in this game...Do not abuse other players. End of story.

i wasent abuseing and you know it peaple have summoned and aggroed small mushroons for years and you know it. even since the removal of platna it has happend.i dont ask for no special treatment as you should have seen since i removed all my alts from guild cause of your dumb new ruleing and impatience. im a doer not a siter and they made gild chat to use get your nose outaa irc and become one of the guild oh your that guy now thats right gl man laters peaple good looking out on getn my back.

plz lock this thread ive what i needed from it

tmwTroLL007 wrote:plz lock this thread ive what i needed from it

This may be the crutch of your argument Troll. This is a game played by many, not just your amusement center.

Seems when you were killing newbies you got some pleasure out of it, they did not. There is a fine line sometimes between abuse and fair game play. I have to agree with Mel that you crossed that line. Having said that 1h is the smallest ban anyone can get, so you are somewhat lucky.

This thread will remained opened because others thoughts count to, not just yours.

I had seen this behavior of spawning evil monsters from Ulith already but when it happened I honestly never saw it as an abuse since the spawns were never constant, they were happening only once in a while.

However, I did not think the situation was that bad until I received a report this morning and everything that happened after that with Melkior and Ulith.
@Ulith: even if we are guildmates (and I also never heard you say anything about your actions as dark mage in the guild tab), I have to support Melkior on this one. One thing is to play your game without consequences for others; another thing is to affect other players with your spawns, especially the newbies. Even if there is no rule against summoning monsters in town or in the entire game, what you did, in my opinion, goes against one of the rules of the game: “do not abuse other players”… and that’s the purpose of all this discussion, not about summoning monsters. And even after the warning, you kept summoning, so i have to say that the choice to be banned was yours.

in a game that has no penalty for dying how can killing a player count as abusing them?

i did the last spawn on purpose cause he would not let me speak my peace instead of treating me like a child hence why the topic was locked quickly and i never stayed on any noobs for more than one spawn i said that i tryed to explain that but he had no hearing of itif i am to be a scape goat so be it like i said b4 i dont see why this thread keeps going i got what i needed you put a new rule in place just for me because i killed your gm alts in town its ok you where doing your job just the wrong way now lock this bs

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