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Several players, including GMs, have told me that they would like for development to continue regardless of the merge, myself and others are willing to contribute and maintain the legacy server, even if that means moving it and it's player data to another host to be maintained separately from the merging project. I would like to just see how many people agree and would also like to see this happen.

I voted no. The development rate of the game is already very low, splitting things up would make it even lower. I would love to see more development activity in general, and I'm quite sure that won't happen if you split up the project in 2 projects... It's really better to invest in the merge project.

In my opinion this decision should be left to developers as they contribute all the work for just a few people who arent willing to restart on a new server. Too less developers, let TMW go. Enough contributors, you might continue with TWM.

Hello Everyone,

I'm starting to work on developing TMW and I would really like to see this server get far. Merge or no merge, I would like to see the devs updating the mana world. I would also like to see a lot of yes's on the topic because it shows all the support we have in this tough time.

The current dev team is focused on taking the project forward through the merge. TMW Athena is not a sustainable engine and will not last much longer, especially considering that Manaplus will continue to be updated according to the main project's development. That said, this is an Open Source project and anyone is free to work on it if they wish. We will not outlaw development of Legacy, we will just not support it as that would mean the certain end of this project within a couple of years.

I voted no because I see any effort to continue Legacy as a waste of time and resources, I think that talent is better invested in the main project which has at least a chance for a promising future.

I'm inclined to agree. I'd rather drop Legacy and keep the Main going, than see both failing. We are understaffed.

Tmw should not even be called Legacy, this merge nonsense will not take us anywhere, it only made every single dev go away slowly.

Do as you want, if somebody works on TMW then nobody will blame me or anybody working on the merge for all of this mess!
Also, anyone with a semblance of mind would understand why we switched to Hercules in no time.

MichaelMiller wrote:Tmw should not even be called Legacy, this merge nonsense will not take us anywhere, it only made every single dev go away slowly.

1. There were no devs who disagreed with the merge when we took that decision.
2. Due to technical limitations of TMW Athena, the Legacy server cannot continue to be developed for much longer, that is outside of the developers' control.

WildX wrote:

MichaelMiller wrote:Tmw should not even be called Legacy, this merge nonsense will not take us anywhere, it only made every single dev go away slowly.

1. There were no devs who disagreed with the merge when we took that decision.
2. Due to technical limitations of TMW Athena, the Legacy server cannot continue to be developed for much longer, that is outside of the developers' control.

Okay but at least don't delete my data.

MichaelMiller wrote:

WildX wrote:

MichaelMiller wrote:Tmw should not even be called Legacy, this merge nonsense will not take us anywhere, it only made every single dev go away slowly.

1. There were no devs who disagreed with the merge when we took that decision.
2. Due to technical limitations of TMW Athena, the Legacy server cannot continue to be developed for much longer, that is outside of the developers' control.

Okay but at least don't delete my data.

That's a completely different argument and nobody said anything about deleting data. This thread is about continuing development and I was responding to what you said in regards to precisely that.

Its seems there's much confusion about the purpose of this thread.

First, the idea that our vote on these forums and could change the minds of the current developers is silly. I mean, I hope they take input, and I suspect they are responsive to player wishes - but the merge and/or move away from the current tools was not just for the heck of it, it was a necessary transition. We're on a sinking ship that will never again be fully sea-worthy. So the current devs have decided to build a new ship that is more future-proof.

This is taking some time, so in the meantime Baseballboy seems to be offering to do some work to patch up our currently sinking ship to slow it's descent. It sounds like he wants to know if that effort would even be appreciated. So to that I voted yes: I'd appreciate such efforts.

But somehow other posts in this thread seem to assume that if we vote yes here, then suddenly devs working on that new boat will come back to do the patch-up work. That's not what I thought I was voting on.

EDIT: and here's the new ship they're working on. It looks a bit small. Some of us might not make it. :P

My whole point is that anyone wanting to work on Legacy would do more good helping the main project, with every person offering their help we can reach our goals a bit faster. I guess at this point I'm just shamelessly advertising in search for contributions

I am still waiting for the transition to TMWserv to finally build a MMORPG-like version of Secret of Mana

I'm two-sided about the current game known as legacy. I am satisfied that there should be no more new content developed, at least until it is completely streamlined, and all errors fixed.

The reason is that it would help the NEW game to be able to recognise problems in the old, and to avoid them, or make a fix.
It also gives time to decide on making the warps match the maps, and even the wiki being updated to match all the features of a completed game.

From there, there should be development further, whether on the new server (which I'm very excited about, and looking forward to using), or the old.

Mind you, this is only an opinion.