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swimming

Posted: 06 Sep 2020, 14:38
by ksso

Hi

A proposal for a far away quest when it is possible. About water bodies, so right now they work like walls and nothing happens.
To increase difficulty the water bodies drown player when try to crossing it or by mistake by falling on it.
To be able to survive, player could do some quests that are not loot collect type activity, rather memory, tap or thinking activity. Upon the level it reached, it could enhance swimming skill: drown, survived but loss hp, float, swim, swim better, dive, olympics games, etc :)

some option with different hard levels maybe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_crossing_puzzle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_(card_game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_(game)

edite: typo


Re: swimming

Posted: 06 Sep 2020, 14:52
by jesusalva

Simon is actually easy to implement (in rEvolt, a flat out impossible for TMWA). The others are not :p

(Memory game is hard because M+)

Oh, and swimming itself is difficult on any engine. Probably impossible on tmwa, but in Hercules/Evol2 might be able to add to plugin the capability to fire a timer once you move on water and to stop it when you leave


Re: swimming

Posted: 06 Sep 2020, 16:31
by ksso

Nice!


Re: swimming

Posted: 06 Sep 2020, 17:26
by jesusalva

By the way, I coded a simple sequence ("simon®") game on Moubootaur Legends (right now) (because I was bored)

Took me two hours to finish, including placeholder art :p

Serverdata: https://gitlab.com/TMW2/serverdata/-/co ... 5d510a69ee
Clientdata: https://gitlab.com/TMW2/clientdata/-/co ... 9e5c71eca5

Obviously it need some severe polishing for rEvolt + deciding if we want it, where we want it, what will be the reward for it, etc...

Spoiler:
Example
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Re: swimming

Posted: 06 Sep 2020, 18:02
by ksso

Nice!
btw, how you get to dimond's cave
also, nice the chars are zoomed in or framed with the conversation, that will happen at revolts,? i guess
there is a way to zoom in all map? for instance I want to see bigger my char (or that could be a suggestion) and obviously less map available?


Re: swimming

Posted: 06 Sep 2020, 19:55
by Livio

There's should be a "zoom" option in video settings but never worked for me. I believe that you will look even smaller at above HD resolution.


Re: swimming

Posted: 06 Sep 2020, 23:30
by ksso

Just ideas (i'm not dev) but may be try to move like in shallow water, so just as normal walking but slower, and a little lower (with the char height from the chest or upper legs), and for the water maybe use some effect like the mist of asphodel moor and the moving features like the hammocks in the ship (that sometimes moves when char passes). But are just ideas. Thank you! :)


Re: swimming

Posted: 07 Sep 2020, 17:20
by WildX

Swimming would require even more player sprites, possibly a lot since there's a lot of movement involved. That usually creates an exponential burden on artitsts because with every new sprite you must then draw equipment to match. HOWEVER I can see walking speed changes based on terrain possibly working. This would actually be a very nice gameplay element and much easier to implement. Slower in mud or sand, faster on ice. Thanks for the suggestion!

I'm personally not a fan of minigames like Simon in RPGs because they impose an unrelated task upon me which usually just iterrupts my adventuring. "Oh no there's a minigame" is a reaction I see a lot, but I may be wrong as to how most people feel about it.


Re: swimming

Posted: 07 Sep 2020, 17:25
by Livio

Image


Re: swimming

Posted: 07 Sep 2020, 20:09
by jesusalva

Actually, while actual swimming would require more sprites, a BfW approach would only need M+ changes (which might be less likely than getting the player sheet changed).

In case you never saw BfW, the water only covers the lower half of the player (the bottom 32px in our case). That is shallow water, which you could walk over; Deep water requires a boat.


Re: swimming

Posted: 07 Sep 2020, 21:12
by ksso

;)


Re: swimming

Posted: 08 Sep 2020, 10:57
by Livio
jesusalva wrote: 07 Sep 2020, 20:09

Actually, while actual swimming would require more sprites, a BfW approach would only need M+ changes (which might be less likely than getting the player sheet changed).

In case you never saw BfW, the water only covers the lower half of the player (the bottom 32px in our case). That is shallow water, which you could walk over; Deep water requires a boat.

If you ever played "Earthbound" at the swamp level you will find there two different depth tiles where at the first only half body is shown and at the second depth is even more: only the hat is show and if left there for too much time the player starts losing hp.


Re: swimming

Posted: 17 Apr 2021, 08:33
by Clort

Swimming without redoing sprites could just display above-waist in shallow water and only head (or head+shoulders) in deep water (i.e. not transparent water)


Re: swimming

Posted: 13 May 2021, 09:09
by Micksha

Hey, on rEvolt I already made shallow water - transparent, and in fringe, so you see the top part of the player normal, and feet and such behind blue with some 60% opacity. Walking slower in water would be cool, though.. this would be a question for Jes.
"Real" swimming; from the art side - it could make people drown and die if they have something equipped (ever tried to swim with armor, with an iron sword in your hand, or even with woolen robe equipped?), so in order to swim we may tell players they have to be naked ;)


Re: swimming

Posted: 13 May 2021, 18:30
by Livio
Micksha wrote: 13 May 2021, 09:09

Hey, on rEvolt I already made shallow water - transparent, and in fringe, so you see the top part of the player normal, and feet and such behind blue with some 60% opacity.

Very nice!

Micksha wrote: 13 May 2021, 09:09

Walking slower in water would be cool, though.. this would be a question for Jes.

Jes doesn't care: he walks on water.

Micksha wrote: 13 May 2021, 09:09

"Real" swimming; from the art side - it could make people drown and die if they have something equipped (ever tried to swim with armor, with an iron sword in your hand, or even with woolen robe equipped?), so in order to swim we may tell players they have to be naked ;)

Naah, better not make graphics just for swimming for now. As for equipment: it could bring various penalties too if wet. An iron armor getting rusty, wool sweaters adding weight, or just a general walking speed penalty just to bring this feature up quickly.
What about a sorcerer robe being completely transparent like a wet shirt?
AFK players chilling out in Hurnscald pond.