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Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Black Don » 27 May 2008, 19:47

Ok I saw Iru redoing some of the older sword icons and it made me look at some of the ugly ducklings I have made. I was never completely happy with the crusaders helm so I took it and deiced to play with it. When I was done I had something almost completely different then before.

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Right now I have no real idea for putting it in game. I thought maybe a tinker or fixer type NPC could upgrade the current Crusaders Helm and it could add a bonus to some stat other then defense (not sure what thou). Comments on the helm or how to put it in game are more them welcome. Remember if you don't comment it remains an unfinished idea and will never make it into the game. :)
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Crush » 27 May 2008, 22:44

Looks much better than the old crusader helmet. I think we should just replace the old graphic with this one.
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Superkoop » 28 May 2008, 00:27

I agree with Crush, this looks loads better than the crusader helm of current. If this got in game, I would probably use this more than the warlord. =)
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Black Don » 28 May 2008, 00:54

Crush wrote:Looks much better than the old crusader helmet. I think we should just replace the old graphic with this one.
That was my original idea was to just replace it but I was told that it might not go over very well to do that.
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by leeor_net » 28 May 2008, 02:32

I've learned from past experience (and a number of articles from the developers of failed MMO projects) that decisions like that should not be left up to the end-users of the game and instead should be made by the developers/GM's. Leaving such things up to all of the users (e.g., using polls or accepting whining "OMG!1!!!11! The gmz r ruining teh game!1!") can lead to problems. Let them whine and gripe about it all they want -- ultimately most users will just accept the change and will often come to appreciate it.
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Hexico » 28 May 2008, 03:39

Black Don wrote:
Crush wrote:Looks much better than the old crusader helmet. I think we should just replace the old graphic with this one.
That was my original idea was to just replace it but I was told that it might not go over very well to do that.
Why? Who doesn't appreciate a graphical update?
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Dr Wahl » 28 May 2008, 16:13

I think that this should *NOT* replace the old helm, but rather, be a higher level/quality helm than the previous. I believe it was Crush who said something along the lines of: In a fantasy game, the more cool it looks, the more powerful it is. We need some lower level, less detailed, boring (if you will) items that will be used by newbs while they are attempting to reach the higher levels and be able to access the cooler items. It seems that every item that is created these days is meant to be "uber cool and powerful", however, the game needs much more than just top end items. If everyone in the game had the best items, the skill curve and motivation to play would be limited.

Anyway, back on topic. I think the helm looks great and would be a good *ADDITION* to the game, but should not replace any previous models.
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Black Don » 28 May 2008, 19:49

Dr Wahl wrote:I think that this should *NOT* replace the old helm, but rather, be a higher level/quality helm than the previous. I believe it was Crush who said something along the lines of: In a fantasy game, the more cool it looks, the more powerful it is. We need some lower level, less detailed, boring (if you will) items that will be used by newbs while they are attempting to reach the higher levels and be able to access the cooler items. It seems that every item that is created these days is meant to be "uber cool and powerful", however, the game needs much more than just top end items. If everyone in the game had the best items, the skill curve and motivation to play would be limited.

Anyway, back on topic. I think the helm looks great and would be a good *ADDITION* to the game, but should not replace any previous models.
The current crusader helm is one of the most power helms in game at +25 def. and it is butt ugly.
so buy you definition it should be replaced. That being said if people still want the old crusader helm to stay we could make it a weaker helm.
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Dr Wahl » 28 May 2008, 20:41

By my definition, it does not have to be replaced, but the stats should be tweaked to match its ugliness. :)
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Rotonen » 28 May 2008, 22:10

Artists: Just ignore how it is going to get used and produce quality.

How it is going to get used (this is in general towards all pixellation) is the responsibility of mappers and content managers of individual servers. Of course you can have input on this. Just that you should not generally have to worry about it. You can be assured all quality work will be used by someone. Have some pride in your work.
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Shaggy » 29 May 2008, 08:33

If it were to become a higher grade helm, it should cost more than the warlord (in terms of challenge / goods / gp). At the moment, the Warlord Helm and the Crusader Helm have identical stats, yet the warlord costs more to make. Surely this shouldn't be :?:

I agree that the revised Crusader Helm looks far superior to the old version, and I will be interested in obtaining one.
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Hexico » 30 May 2008, 02:30

Dr Wahl wrote:I think that this should *NOT* replace the old helm, but rather, be a higher level/quality helm than the previous. I believe it was Crush who said something along the lines of: In a fantasy game, the more cool it looks, the more powerful it is. We need some lower level, less detailed, boring (if you will) items that will be used by newbs while they are attempting to reach the higher levels and be able to access the cooler items. It seems that every item that is created these days is meant to be "uber cool and powerful", however, the game needs much more than just top end items. If everyone in the game had the best items, the skill curve and motivation to play would be limited.

Anyway, back on topic. I think the helm looks great and would be a good *ADDITION* to the game, but should not replace any previous models.
Ehh.. None of the hats/helmets I plan to make will be high-level(if I have anything to say about it) and I won't purposefully make them boring.. I think that there should be some sort of graphical consistency in items, quality-wise. What a newbie gets to wear when he starts the game is probably one of his first impressions, right?

I don't necessarily think that noob items should be boring.. maybe just a little less glorious and a little more ghetto than the high-level equipment. :)

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Black Don wrote:When did I say anything was boring?
You didn't. I was talking to Dr Wahl.

Sorry for hi-jacking your thread. >.>
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Black Don » 30 May 2008, 14:22

When did I say anything was boring? When did I say I have no pride in my work? People, are you so busy trying to read between the lines that you have completely forgot what I said? I was unhappy with one helm because it did not turn out the way I wanted so a fixed it. If trying to keep the quality of my work high is "having pride in my work" then I don't know what is. As for boring, No one even said any was boring so unless you're having a conversion with yourself don't put words in anyones mouth. I mean we have the ability to quote text here use it if you can't remember what I said in my last post. So keep the comments in this thread to about the helm and not about how you think items should be implemented. Unless your Dev and you want to suggest the best way you think we could put the helm in game.
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Black Don » 03 Jun 2008, 14:48

Since no one has said any thing bad about the graphics I assume they are good. As for implantation the only Dev to speak up up is Crush saying to replace it. I say go for it unless someone can come up with a better idea.
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Re: Crusader Helm Mrk2

Post by Atmolaguuna » 04 Jun 2008, 10:48

This new crusaders helmet looks much better than the old one! The old one made me think of a marshmallow, a pillow, and a few other white items.

Allowing that old helmet to stay when we have this revised helmet would be a crime... :?
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