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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Angeliex » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:26 pm

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Crush » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:29 pm

But you are using our work for free without our permission, too.
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by i » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:30 pm

Angeliex wrote:Fate - I wish for aethyra to be different than tmw. I want it to be a new exciting experience. And I don't want my labor being used for free without permission.
Wow... you are just selfish child. Grow up and try to understand that you FORKED our project. If you really want create "new exciting experience" try do it from scratch. IMO you just don't have respect for our work.
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by fate » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:58 pm

Hi,

may I suggest trying to solve this issue in an amicable fashion?

Angeliex, I very much doubt that the tmw developers will attempt to duplicate tme in any fashion, so I don't think that you need to be worried about this aspect (cf. Crush's initial message). Regarding some of the other points about licencing, what is legal and what is polite are usually two very different things. To me as an independent observer, it seems as if it would be best (from a global perspective) if both the tmw and the tme teams would try to use from each other whatever they find suitable, and to make available to others what those might find usable, for the simple reason that this would reduce the amount of work overall and increase the amount of work available to players of both projects overall.

Trying to be a little respectful of each other-- perhaps more than you think the other side deserves, even-- might help everyone here, even if that means considering a request that would put you at a disadvantage.

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Jaxad0127 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:26 pm

Angeliex wrote:All of tmw graphics will be phased out.
We could phase out your graphics too. For the moment, let us use them.
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Rotonen » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:29 pm

This is just a simple matter of our devs being passionate about the GPL while the other party is merely proud of their own work. Emphasis on their own work.

As long as you have your graphics under the GPL, we and everyone in the world is free to take whatever they please from it. Personally I find sharing nice: it prevents you from having to reinvent the wheel over and over again like you have to do in the proprietary world (with patent dodging applied, this can be very tricky or expensive, depending on your negotiation skills and effort). This is one of the main points for it having been developed in fact.

I don't see how the heck using your work should hurt you: it should in fact make you more proud of what you have accomplished. Someone outside your team likes it too.

If you don't like sharing, don't do open source: do closed source and properly define your license. I'm personally quite fine with this too as long as you achieve quality and are happy with yourself and the finished product.

Realize, group hug, most importantly argue in a civilized manner and carry on. (The civilized argumentation clause goes especially for our team: you have behaved in quite a nasty and outright childish way in this thread. You were challenged with a gentleman-ish request and you never responded with anything but a slap to the face from the GPL glove.)
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Angeliex » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:42 pm

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Jaxad0127 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:44 pm

Angeliex wrote:It has been solved. All non tmw-based graphics are licensed GPL. Otherwise they are only for use and distribution by Aethyra or Aethyra branches.
They weren't before?
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Angeliex » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:53 pm

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by MrDan » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:05 am

Geeze you guys! :roll: Grow the hell up! I swear some of you sound like little kids fighting over the sandbox. I know I am probably just an old fart compared to some here, but please try to contain your hormones.

Nuff said.

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Personally I could give a rats posterior whether you ultimately decide to honor the request of another to respect his wishes or decide to just be lame about it. Just know that you will most likely receive the same respect that you give others. (pomp and all)

Geeze! :lol:
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by i » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:24 am

Angeliex wrote:It has been solved. All non tmw-based graphics are licensed GPL. Otherwise they are only for use and distribution by Aethyra or Aethyra branches.
Angeliex wrote:Before, all content was gpl.
So what is the difference now?
Is it GNU GPL + statement os usage? I'm afraid that you can not do that. Because those two things are opposite and can not be used at once.

Tell me what would you do if we change our GPL lincence for something like that:
GNU GPL for use and distribution by TMW or TMW branches. You would end up with nothing. So I'm almost sure that additional statement can not be added.

Anyway notice that we are not fighting to poses your graphic content, but just for being legal and fair to OSS community. For our freedom, guaranteed by General Public Licence (am I talking like R. Stalman? :). I checked out your content, and there aren't many things that could pass our quality checks.

Someday you will find out, that without community you are alone. And who will decide to help you if you will be breaking statements of GPL?

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Angeliex » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:06 am

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Rotonen » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:51 am

I'm a bit unclear here: what was the conclusion reached and why was it not publicly disclosed in this thread?
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Crush » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:27 pm

All content based on TMW content will be released under the GNU General Public License as it is required.

Any new content which has been created from scratch by the Aethyra community will be released under separate license terms which are currently formulated by the Aethyra development team. The terms will most likely deny TMW any use of it.

The Aethyra team will publish a list stating which of their content files fall under which licensing teams.
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