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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by Solo » 06 Oct 2008, 21:50

Here's my iteration of the Veneficus Leach, again, using MS paint. I'll have to
try out Gimp next to use better color shading.
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by yosuhara » 06 Oct 2008, 22:10

Solo wrote:Here's my iteration of the Veneficus Leach, again, using MS paint. I'll have to
try out Gimp next to use better color shading.
you need to think more about how to shade it... now it's just a bunch of gradients
try to divide the body into basic shapes... I recommend going through some basic tutorials:
http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/ ... #Tutorials

..and keep going! ;)
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by Solo » 06 Oct 2008, 23:49

Rotonen wrote: I like the spiky thingy. Animating how it moves around should allow really creative bendy and rolling fun or alternatively hilarious hopping. Would you mind illustrating that one a bit more so we could push it into production? Especially how you imagine it to move around, attack, etc.
Rotonen, here's my illustration on how it would move. It's maybe too basic, but i hope it gives an idea of... my idea, lol.
yosuhara wrote:
you need to think more about how to shade it... now it's just a bunch of gradients
try to divide the body into basic shapes... I recommend going through some basic tutorials:
http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/ ... #Tutorials

..and keep going! ;)
Thanks for the feedback Yosuhara, i will ckech out the tutorial, like i said, i have no experience what so ever with pixel art.

Also, these are just meant to be ideas, i don't expect to see any of these in the game exactly the way i make them, please fell free to improve them any way you guys see fit, if they are indeed good ideas.

Thanks again. :)
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by EJlol » 07 Oct 2008, 07:38

I can imagine how he moves, but the top needle of that monster is a bit to "wobbly" IMO. Just looking at the sprite I don't know if its even strong enough to attack a maggot.
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by Crush » 07 Oct 2008, 13:48

My impression differs from that of EJlol. To me it rather looks like the monster can either make its spikes flexible to use them for moving or manipulating objects but also make them suddenly extremely hard and sharp and thus deadly weapons.

I think you could need some help with the sphere part of the body. How exactly do you picture it? Is it a transparent crystal sphere? Metal? Or skin?
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by Solo » 07 Oct 2008, 19:06

EJlol wrote:I can imagine how he moves, but the top needle of that monster is a bit to "wobbly" IMO. Just looking at the sprite I don't know if its even strong enough to attack a maggot.
Crush wrote:My impression differs from that of EJlol. To me it rather looks like the monster can either make its spikes flexible to use them for moving or manipulating objects but also make them suddenly extremely hard and sharp and thus deadly weapons.
Actually, my idea was more in the lines of what Crush said, the arms would be both strong and flexible, kinda like tentacles,for movement and attack. Also, its supposed to be a magic monster, so it would take MP as well as HP.

Crush wrote:I think you could need some help with the sphere part of the body. How exactly do you picture it? Is it a transparent crystal sphere? Metal? Or skin?
Well, i wanted the shpere to be a crystal, but my skills are very limited, as you all can see. Also, i was thinking of the drops. Maybe shards of the very same crystal, to be later melted and/or polished and made into jewelry or amulets, for extra MP.

Rotonen also suggested that, instead of it hopping, if it would be better for it to roll... Like i said, my skills are limited, so i (kinda) cheated on that one, i just made its legs dissapear instead, lol...

As for the attack, i thought about a psycho spin, with a very fast attack, kinda like the flowers, but it looks very crappy, so please, bear with me.
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by Crush » 07 Oct 2008, 19:20

The attack animation could be enhanced by adding some speedlines.

The retract animation to initiate a move will not work with the animation system. When an object starts to move on the server it does so without a warning. So the sprite will already start to move while the spikes retract.

How about moving like this: It puts the top spike on the ground in front of it so that it becomes a new leg while it moves the leg spike on the opposite side to the top so that it becomes the new top spike. To move into one direction it would have to walk in a zick zack motion but it is no problem to make this with animation offset.
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by 5t3v3 » 07 Oct 2008, 20:05

or maybe just retract the spikes at a different speed (front spike retracts faster so that it tilts forward)
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by Solo » 07 Oct 2008, 20:57

I thought about it, and came to the conclusion that it would just be better if it doesn't retract anything, because, if its moving with the arms retracted, as soon as its hit, it instantly springs back to its original stance, and in my opinion, it would not look good. Either the hop, or a walking motion would not break the animation so bad once it gets hit. Even if you hit it in a middle of a hop, it goes back to the stance position, like you stopped the hop half way, and it still looks a bit realistic. The same worries me about the attack, although it would look spectacular. Unless this can be reprogrammed for this particular monster, but i wouldn't know anything about that.

Crush wrote:The attack animation could be enhanced by adding some speedlines.
In my original drawing, i had those lines, but had no idea how to add them to the monster, or if i could make them look any good.

Im going to try and make the walk animation, at the best of my abilities though.

Thank you all. :)
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by Rotonen » 08 Oct 2008, 13:42

The best workflow here seems to be that Solo provides the concepts and the actual pixel people finish them.
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by Crush » 08 Oct 2008, 14:21

What "actual pixel people" are you talking about, Rotonen? We currently have noone who is interested in monster sprites. But Solo shows excelent potential to fill this gap.
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Re: Suggestions for Devs and Artists

Post by Rotonen » 09 Oct 2008, 01:20

We have open properly conceptualized monster pixellation tasks for artists to work on?

But yeah, he can also work on them if he wants to.
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