CONCENTRATION THREAD - Tulimshar, phase 1

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Post by Mkael » Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:25 pm

Nomad sketches:
http://origin.defines.us/concepts/nomad.jpg
Right one is on a mount of some kind.

A quick creature sketch, will work on it and things like that later too:
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Post by ElvenProgrammer » Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:22 pm

Just some links of nice architecture that could be used as a reference:

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Post by Rotonen » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:06 pm

I really like that sword and that mount. For the people that haven't been around that long and haven't read the old docs: The strongest swordsmanship skills and swords would come from this region and hence this would be the kingdom, whose strenght would always have laid in its legendary swordmen.

Not sure about the glasses: they look kinda modern. Also the clothing is a bit too Peruvian. (Resembles the traditional outfits of Southern American mountain indians, doesn't it?)
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Post by Mkael » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:54 pm

Rotonen wrote:
I really like that sword and that mount. For the people that haven't been around that long and haven't read the old docs: The strongest swordsmanship skills and swords would come from this region and hence this would be the kingdom, whose strenght would always have laid in its legendary swordmen.

Not sure about the glasses: they look kinda modern. Also the clothing is a bit too Peruvian. (Resembles the traditional outfits of Southern American mountain indians, doesn't it?)
Here's another pic of the Nomad's sword and a field bottle. I'll add some other relevant things later + some new sword/cleaver/axe/dagger models.

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Post by i » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:04 pm

good job Mkael. :}
I think those concept arts are 100% accurate. Especialy sword design. Something just amazing. I started make nomads terain tileset yesterday. a little preview:

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Post by ElvenProgrammer » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:37 am

I sincerely like everything in Mkael's nomads concept art. They have their nice particular style. We don't have to go for real nomads, we can just adopt our style so I guess the clothes could fit without problems, well that's my opinion at least.
The sword and field bottle are wonderful, I'd really like to pixelate them, but I'm sure some other pixel artist could do a better job. Everyone feel free to give it a try.

iru: I've already seen most of the tiles, but I like the sand, the small rock and the columns (trunks?). I think sand could use more variation, maybe something like small dunes, some vegetation, more rocks or whatever else you can think of. I know you're working on the tents, Mkael should be working on some concept art of them, maybe you'd want to wait for it.

Anyway I'm glad to see summer's holidays are over and everyone is back to work with very nice results :D Go on this way people.
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Post by Jetryl » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:43 am

Thumbs up on everything!

Irukard: Really good all around, the only potential issue is that the perspective at the base of the trees is side-on, rather than from an upward "45?" angle. The pillars/statues are great, in fact I would go so far as to say they may well be the equal of professional nintendo art.

The trees would be too, save for that perspective issue I mentioned - you can fix it by having some roots stretch out from the base point at an angle.

The "highlight the facing edge" trick is a large part of what makes those pillars look good. You've learnt it well - do keep using it. :)


Mkael: Nice work on that line art, there. You have a good eye for creature shaping and costuming, and I think your style fits a game like this very, very well.
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Post by i » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:51 pm

Jetryl wrote:Thumbs up on everything!
Irukard: Really good all around, the only potential issue is that the perspective at the base of the trees is side-on, rather than from an upward "45?" angle. The pillars/statues are great, in fact I would go so far as to say they may well be the equal of professional nintendo art.
I'll try to impove that. thnx for hints ;P

EDIT: I uploaded to tiles tent concept art. It's out of style, a bitt odd, and too blured in some places. I used dynamic lightening, so shaders can look a bit strange.
and here is my question: Are shape and size fit to game?
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Post by Rotonen » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:34 pm

i wrote:.Are shape and size fit to game?
Well it'd be better if we had a set of tiles, out of which we could build a tent of any size, instead of a "tent object". The same applies to everything: if we have interjunctionable tiles, we can build more with less.
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Post by Ultim » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:52 pm

In real life tents aren't really extendable. The smaller tent shown in I's tileset wouldn't make sense if it got much bigger. The structure wouldn't be believable. Consider the differing structures of the biggest tents you've ever seen, circus bigtops, medium sized ones like I's, and the smallest, camping tents. When the size is changed too much the whole structure changes.

P.S.- When you highlight the facing edge, you're making the light source, the player's view, and the object in a straight line. Therefore... shouldn't there be no visible shadow because it's behind the object?
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Post by Rotonen » Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:40 pm

I'm talking about constructing a more complex tent out of the same building blocks, for example an octagonial ceremonial tent.. :roll:

And that applies to everything we have, for example the desert cliffs that are in use at the moment aren't really interjunctionable and a person cannot be very creative with them. But I agree, the post shouldn've been directed at the tent, it was a bad example. This has been a long and exhausting day for me.
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Post by Ultim » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:25 am

Sorry if i made that comment seem negative, yours was a very good tip but just not on the tent. i agree that everything (else) should be tilable/extendable.
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Post by ElvenProgrammer » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:13 pm

Here are some tent concept art by Mkael again:

http://origin.defines.us/concepts/nomadTent1.jpg

http://origin.defines.us/concepts/nomadTent2.jpg

I sincerely like a lot the first one, even if someone told it looks a bit orc-ish and wow-ish.
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Post by Ultim » Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:32 pm

If those supporting wooden posts around the sides were made a lot longer and the cloth still draped to the top of them, it might give a very cool, dramatic look.
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Post by Mkael » Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:43 pm

Ultim wrote:If those supporting wooden posts around the sides were made a lot longer and the cloth still draped to the top of them, it might give a very cool, dramatic look.
I'll try this later.
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