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Normally I would just insert "Who cares?" here. But since that event was kinda sad I won't do that, but instead I ask you what makes you post something like that in a random mmorpg board - does it change something?

This happened first. The US wasn't even going to fight.

"The attack on Pearl Harbor (or Hawaii Operation, Operation Z, as it was called by the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters) was a surprise military strike conducted by the Japanese navy against the United States' naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on the morning of Sunday, December 7, 1941, later resulting in the United States becoming militarily involved in World War II. It was intended as a preventive action to keep the U.S. Pacific Fleet from influencing the war Japan was planning to wage in Southeast Asia against Britain, the Netherlands, and the United States. The attack consisted of two aerial attack waves totaling 353 aircraft, launched from six Japanese aircraft carriers.

The attack sank four U.S. Navy battleships (two of which were raised and returned to service late in the war) and damaged four more. The Japanese also sank or damaged three cruisers, three destroyers, and one minelayer, destroyed 188 aircraft, and caused personnel losses of 2,402 killed and 1,282 wounded. The power station, shipyard, maintenance, and fuel and torpedo storage facilities, as well as the submarine piers and headquarters building (also home of the intelligence section) were not hit. Japanese losses were minimal, at 29 aircraft and four midget submarines, with 65 servicemen killed or wounded."

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"The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear attacks near the end of World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States at the executive order of U.S. President Harry S. Truman on August 6 and August 9, 1945, respectively. After six months of intense fire-bombing of 67 other Japanese cities, followed by an ultimatum which was ignored by the Shōwa regime, the nuclear weapon "Little Boy" was dropped on the city of Hiroshima on Monday, August 6, 1945, followed on August 9 by the detonation of the "Fat Man" nuclear bomb over Nagasaki. These are to date the only attacks with nuclear weapons in the history of warfare.

The bombs killed as many as 140,000 people in Hiroshima and 80,000 in Nagasaki by the end of 1945, roughly half on the days of the bombings. Amongst these, 15–20% died from injuries or the combined effects of flash burns, trauma, and radiation burns, compounded by illness, malnutrition and radiation sickness. Since then, more have died from leukemia (231 observed) and solid cancers (334 observed) attributed to exposure to radiation released by the bombs. In both cities, most of the dead were civilians."


The Japanese bombed an American naval base and, even if that was wrong, was the killing of 220,000 innocent civilians the correct response to this? You showed us some pictures...
How about these?

ZIP (see below)

~neither of these things should have happened, but in my opinion the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the worst.
Enchilado

EDIT:
I had no idea how large these images were. Please follow these links instead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atomi ... oshima.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atomi ... oshima.jpg

EDIT 2:
Those were the same link. Please follow these also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nagasakibomb.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nagasakibomb.jpg

Fun Facts

*Fat Man and Little Boy are such small bombs by today's standards...(could you image Tsar Bomba going off in a city)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxD44HO8 ... re=related

*the Japanese didn't care about civilians, one of their weapons was hot-air balloon bombs which utilized the golf stream to hit randomly in US (ineffective but you get my point).

*It was also estimated at the time that it would cost at least a million US lives to take japan as they had pledged to fight till the very end.

*The A bomb was actually a bluff if they had realized we only had the two at the time they wouldn't have surrendered.

*WW2 was a very different war than one you would see today, everyone fought to win (even if it meant carpet-bombing entire cites to do so)

*oddly enough all the countries involved in WW2 couldn't be closer allies today (which makes the whole thing seem pointless)

*lastly war sucks anyway you slice it (unless your neutral and profiting off others suffering)

Len wrote:*The A bomb was actually a bluff if they had realized we only had the two at the time they wouldn't have surrendered.

Japan was ready to surrender after the first one. The second was to tell the Soviets (and to a lesser extent the rest of the world) that we did actually have the technology and the first wasn't a fluke. We could've had more ready to drop if we needed them.

jaxad0127 wrote:

Len wrote:*The A bomb was actually a bluff if they had realized we only had the two at the time they wouldn't have surrendered.

Japan was ready to surrender after the first one. The second was to tell the Soviets (and to a lesser extent the rest of the world) that we did actually have the technology and the first wasn't a fluke. We could've had more ready to drop if we needed them.

The soviets already knew, but that was something we found out later

Len wrote:

jaxad0127 wrote:

Len wrote:*The A bomb was actually a bluff if they had realized we only had the two at the time they wouldn't have surrendered.

Japan was ready to surrender after the first one. The second was to tell the Soviets (and to a lesser extent the rest of the world) that we did actually have the technology and the first wasn't a fluke. We could've had more ready to drop if we needed them.

The soviets already knew, but that was something we found out later

Probably. Germany almost got the bomb first, remember.

We mustn't forget that the bomb dropped on Nagasaki as well.

swimmy wrote:We mustn't forget that the bomb dropped on Nagasaki as well.

This thread was posted for the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing.

This topic is getting so out of hand I have to give my opinion too.

In the second world war no one was right. The winners wrote the history.

Rotonen wrote:This topic is getting so out of hand I have to give my opinion too.

In the second world war no one was right. The winners wrote the history.

So, you're saying that the Nazi party didn't do anything wrong and that the Allied Forces lied about it?

No, I'm saying the allied forces killed 10 times more people on similar grounds and the western part of the allied forces accepted that. (Stalin, what a lovely fellow.)

I'm disapproving almost every aspect of war. The rapid advancement of technology and medicine is nice, but it does not justify the costs.

But who here thinks the world would be a better place if the other side had won? Come to think about it, you never know..

I agree, war sucks, but you can't just sit back and let bad people take over the world because killing is wrong. Trust me, if I were able to, I would be the first person to talk to ANY dictator who want's to hurt others and try to talk out how to be peaceful and compromise, but the bad guys don't want to talk about it. It's a damn shame, but wars must happen for the -- I hate this term -- greater good.

On the other hand, here I sit with 3 years management experience and been laid off and can't get a job part time overnight shelf stocking because of this recession "we" got ourselves into Who knows what I would be doing had WWII gone the other direction.

And I also do realize that we (the US) have a tendency to go where we don't belong. Vietnam, etc.

DonCBen wrote:And I also do realize that we (the US) have a tendency to go where we don't belong. Vietnam, etc.

We were asked by France to take over for them there. And we could've won if the media would've let us.