Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

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Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Poll ended at Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:10 am

Yes, an HP bar and current HP value.
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15%
Yes, an HP bar only.
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37%
Yes, but just the HP value.
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4%
No, what would be the use of this silly feature?
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33%
What is a MMORPG?
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12%
 
Total votes: 52
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by Bertram » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:20 am

Hi Bcs86,

Adding aspect to monsters would also be a nice improvement in the long run.
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by The Scarlet Rhus » Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:35 am

Idea 1) The little bouncy bits of how much health you just took off could change colour. That is to say, when a monster is on full health, the little bouncy bits of health could be green, and as it is hurt they gradually change through yellow to red.

Problem 1) What colour would the little bouncy bits of player's health be?

Problem 2) Little green bouncy bits of health would make you think the monster was easy.

Idea 2) A vertical HP percentage bar à la Wesnoth. This is probably the best idea. There should be no text stating either amount HP nor HP percentage.

Problem 1) I can't think of any problems for this.

Idea 3) A horizontal HP bar à la Age of Empires. This would have text showing either percentage or actual amount of HP.

Problem 1) It's dumb.

Idea 4) You can select monsters. This opens a Monster Description box with its name and so on. It wouldn't have exact hitpoints and attack stated but would give some indication such as: 'The Jack O is a ferocious, PG16 monster with an appetite for 32-bit sprites.'

Problem 1) How would the Monster Description window be displayed?

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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by Rotonen » Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:58 am

If we want to seriously overload our pixel artists, we could have different GFX for different health states of monsters.
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by feline monstrosity » Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:42 pm

Theoretically the best idea yes, but realistically achievable?
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by bcs86 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:04 pm

For states, when a monster is injured or sick it would be slower, limp or stagger, and its attack might be weaker. That would require some new sprite work. I would be willing to work on that later, but I am 100% busy with something else ATM.
I think the states would be fun to make and to use.

...have your boring HP bar for now if you insist.
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by Crush » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:31 pm

bcs86 wrote:For states, when a monster is injured or sick it would be slower, limp or stagger, and its attack might be weaker. That would require some new sprite work. I would be willing to work on that later,[...]
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by bcs86 » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:27 am

OK, I'll admit, On second thought the states idea wouldn't really be able to supplement an HP bar. It wouldn't work much for small things like plants and maggots either. It would, however, be able to make the occasional boss monster more interesting to fight (we have none (except santa slimes) hooray!).
Something I'd have to try in a sand box at least.
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by t3st3r » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:31 pm

Right now you can have a rough estimation of monster's HP value with quite good accuracy since random changes are small enough. And for example, 4144's patch already shows damage taken by monster(at least as seen by client), making it's quite trivial to have rough estimation in most cases. You can also have some (rough and inaccurate) estimation for player based on his level. At least you can guess worst-case and best-case scenarios and expect real things to be somewhere in the middle. Hence, overall error of estimation is not very large - once more. I can roughly assume that now you can always know your enemy's HPs with some 20-30% error at very most and have some estimation based on inflicted damage. So

So as for me, I'm voting to have such feature but it should not disclose health but rather only provide rough estimation (i.e. monster haves approx. 100%, 80%, 60%, 40%, 20%, 0%). I.e. visualise facts you can already learn anyway in most cases (I guess it's even possible to implement this based on 4144's patch. etc). Nothing more, nothing less. And well, as for me, to have more excitement, 30% error in HPs estimation just not enough, regardless of visualisation of this estimation. As for me, to have more excitement from battle, you need more random factors and random should have more significance. Without it things are getting quite predictable regardless of their visualization.
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by Xaytor » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:08 pm

A spinning crystal that turns from green to yellow to orange to red then shatters?

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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by Surcrat » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:03 am

I would say, that is a good idea!

A HP- Bar would be nice. I suggest to bring an additional HP- Value there. It could be look like that (you need to imagine a few graphics there =D)

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+ Scale- effect if the value is to big for the bar i would say =)
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by ailaonzo » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:57 am

yes, HP value and HP Bar is good. It would let you know your target.
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by Jaxad0127 » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:13 pm

Once again, this will require a lot of server modification to work. And I refuse to add the full value, but only low, mid, high.
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by Len » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:54 pm

For larger boss like monsters an HP bar would be helpful
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by MadLordOfMilk » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:30 pm

What about just a "bloodied" (under 1/2 hp) condition (such as in D&D 4th edition :P) that adds some red effect to the monster (be it changing their name color, the ring, etc)?

Basically, it lets you know you at least got somewhere (the monster is at least half dead), but it doesn't give much away. It's just vague enough to let you roughly gauge an enemy's difficulty without really giving much away. :)
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Re: Would it be good to see the target HP while fighting it?

Post by Kage » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:11 pm

why not just include a ingame pokedex?
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