Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

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Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Rotonen » 25 Oct 2009, 20:36

So, this much I know so far:

1) I'm still in the role of managing content creation and being the oversight for it.
2) I know the people working under me and who their underlings are: As in I'm up to date and aware of resources related to my field of responsibility here.
3) Elven is still above me and everyone else.
4) As far as I can see, alongside me, under Elven, is Platyna, maintaining the server in the holy trinity of tech - community - content addition. (I could be wrong on the details of this.)

So:

1) Who are under Elven?
2) What do these people do?
3) Who are under these people and what do they do?
4) Does someone still want to have a penis wiggle battle with me about how we handle the content releases for TMW or are we all clear and proceeding with how the new forum section dictates?

This all boils down to: who is responsible for the TMW client these days and who is responsible for the TMW server these days?

I can manage requesting stuff from manasource.org for the needs of content creation, but who do I bug to get it over to the TMW side of things? And especially only the things we need: unnecessary codebase is unnecessary.

Should we even draw a nice figure into the wiki and keep it up to date for once? And based on that perhaps keep also the forum statuses up to date?

So many questions, so many options, so many years of work ahead of us to actually make a game. We should agree on things and just do it to get it done.
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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by fate » 25 Oct 2009, 20:56

Hi,

Just to double-check-- I assume that by `tmw server' you mean the program formerly known as tmwserv? (I haven't made time to read through all the organisational changes yet.)

What I personally would like to know is who will be in charge of eAthena content management, if anyone, after the graveyard maps and Halloween event are done. I'm still hoping to deliver on the eAthena content promises I made, so I will need to co-ordinate with that person.

The time frame I intend for the first batch of these changes is post-November until before or around Christmas. Thus, this question needn't be answered yet, though this seemed like a good opportunity to raise it.

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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Jaxad0127 » 25 Oct 2009, 21:06

I guess I'm still there....
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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Platyna » 25 Oct 2009, 21:18

Game development coordination:
Bjorn manages the developers and programming, I believe when Elven comes back for good they will be RAID1 array.

Eathena (and perhaps in-spe any other production server)
Me: I do manage the host the eathena runs in general hosting scope plus the part that is community related (which in this case is gm_account.txt).
Jaxad: manages eathena in TMW developers scope.
If one of us is not available for longer amount of time, the second person take over the role.

Forum (technical)
Me: general maintenance
Bjorn: takes overs my tasks when I am not here (besides community moderation - until he wants so), coordinates all forum content that is related to TMW development.

Forum (moderation)
Me, plus there is needed another person, probably Rotonen.

Site, mantis etc.:
Bjorn.
Me (when he is not available).

Basically the target should be RAID1 schema plus clearly defined roles, for perfect organization.

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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Crush » 26 Oct 2009, 15:45

Rotonen wrote:I can manage requesting stuff from manasource.org for the needs of content creation, but who do I bug to get it over to the TMW side of things? And especially only the things we need: unnecessary codebase is unnecessary.
By only cherry-picking commits from Manasource instead of just using the Manasource software as-is you would create a lot of additional work without much benefit.

You will most likely introduce more (and more obscure) bugs by leaving out code than you will have by including code you don't need.
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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Rotonen » 26 Oct 2009, 15:52

Depending on whether manasource will go for the modular approach there has been promise of. That would allow us to use only what we need.

As long as the game works, is playable and people enjoy it, I don't care too much of the black box on which it runs from my point of view. My main point there was more along the lines of "We need someone as a tech maintainer for TMW, anyone want to step up for this?" so let's not get stuck on stuff I might have goofed up in that particular statement which was also outside of my scope in this project.
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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Bertram » 27 Oct 2009, 09:07

Proper responibilities are to be exposed, set or updated clearly and used in a gentle manner, I guess.

As for me, it's simple, I'm a dev.

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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Rotonen » 27 Oct 2009, 09:12

What does "a dev" do these days on TMW? On manasource it is rather clear how things work out - that one is just a loose bunch of people working together on enabling things on a platform.

I suppose a tech dev helps the people responsible for maintaining the TMW client and server.

So, who is going to be our client maintainer?

I'm also concluding that Platyna has voiced that she can be forced into maintaining the TMW (not eA) server.
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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by ElvenProgrammer » 27 Oct 2009, 10:07

I plan to be part of the client mantainers, so count me in. I already started some thinking about restructuring our git repositories and keeping them up to date with manasource ones.

At this time I'd really like to see a draft of an organizational chart for the TMW project. People are really starting to loose references and we need to know who's responsible for what, and who should we ask to.
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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Bertram » 27 Oct 2009, 11:11

Hi,

I know that my place as a 'simple dev' doesn't really fit anymore those days on the mana world. :mrgreen:

The fact is, that a team working on a project is always a bunch of people trying to put something on the table, whatever the project is. :wink:

Now, the questions are:
What are the jobs to be adressed?
Who does already a particular function and is willing to keep it up, and what is remaining?
And then, how the content workflow actually gets into each games (Ea and Manaserv) is not really defined, at least for Ea?
Should I stop answering on the mana world forum and be banned for technical harassment? ;)

Just an humble opinion from the untrusted old one that I am.

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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Rotonen » 27 Oct 2009, 18:59

http://www.cogmap.com/chart/tmw-organiz ... revision-1

This is how I see this project now.
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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Platyna » 27 Oct 2009, 19:08

Yeah I can handle new TMW server, since eathena will sooner or late be obsoleted by it.

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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Rotonen » 27 Oct 2009, 19:15

Platyna wrote:Yeah I can handle new TMW server, since eathena will sooner or late be obsoleted by it.
I am not expecting TMW to surpass the eA crap in popularity for two or three years to come. Not until we get enough content releases out there.

Getting content out there might take its sweet time, but eA should keep the crowd entertained in the meanwhile and getting well thought out quality content is better than getting eA level content. After a few years once we have enough out there, TMW could start to be considered a proper MMO game in my opinion too.
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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by Bertram » 28 Oct 2009, 09:06

I guess I'll stay a bit more in the four monkey spots, if someone is willing to make social grooming... ;)
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Re: Reorganization: Finally! But what and how?

Post by ElvenProgrammer » 29 Oct 2009, 10:25

As I already stated, I plan to take care of client maintenance/development, so be sure to add my name there.

And I propose Bertram as Server mantainer, since he is the one most actively working on tmwserv/manaserv development.

I think at the moment, while ea is still alive, everyone responsible for one meta project should be rosposible also for the other.

Also I would like to consider a couple of other meta-projects: web (which means keeping up-to-date/renewing website, forums, tmwweb and so on) and community (which means forum moderation and in game moderation since I see server-admin more of a tech work)

I could take care of web and I hope Platyna will take care of community.
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