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Agreed. Excellent post btw.

Botting is never justified, IMO.
Saving money and time by using cheap concrete, like Wayne says, kills everyone. Why take shortcuts when you can get the job done right?

i agree with Wayne wholeheartedly, botting takes the fun away from the game, not just for the botter in question but other players amongst the TMW community.
all botters should be ashamed...
...not looking at anyone in particular *cough* tyler *cough*...

We define botting as AFK activity. While that does convey an advantage, not everything that conveys an advantage is botting.

We define AFK activity as activity done while AFK. AFK means you don't respond to a GM when talked to. Sitting in town isn't activity. Attacking monsters is.

If it's found you automate (vs finger or weight AFK), then you are permanently blocked. Others can get unabnned and reset t heir first time.

tutorials together as to help player achieve level 50 in 5 days

lvl 50 in 5 days isn't that hard

unfortunately, botting is here to stay.
*The best defense is a less predictable game with harsh penalty for death (the more thought needed to play the game the better)
*Experienced hard ass GMs
*A lot of eyes (players who inform GMs)

But nothing can ever truly stop automation (but it can be made more dangerous and less profitable)

"harsh penalty for death"(imo) would improve game play as well

dare i say a loss in xp

my 2 pennys

skipy wrote:"harsh penalty for death"(imo) would improve game play as well

dare i say a loss in xp

my 2 pennys

TMWs community is a little too dress up game, for that....



The only other way is to do something dim-witted like Runescape is known for doing
example: let's say after every 500 kills you automatically receive a whisper of a random math question or common knowledge question. You have 5 minutes to replay to the question if you fail to replay or answers incorrectly a GM is notified to check you out.
Example: you killed 500 monsters
Server whispers: Your playing The Mana World... True or False

Would it be possible to lose lvl's from EXP Loss, or just get down to 0% ..? (If it's put into the game, that is..) Btw, I like the idea of the question thing :p

iamWayne wrote:Accordingly, Botting is against the rules.

Botting as made reference to TMW: Is any activity that will give an upper-hand(Advantage) whithout the user interacting with the game or activity while AFK(Away from Keyboard). example; resting hand on the keyboard , killing monsters while sleeping.

As much as i applaud your initiative in helping the community rid itself of the botting menace, I would like to clear something up.

Resting a hand on your keyboard shouldnt be considered botting, as the player is physically at the computer controlling the character.

This has been my method for a while now, it allows me to watch tv, and also chat with other players while my characters level up =)

Keep up the good work folks, and remember, if you suspect a fellow member of the community is botting, simply send a message to the GM team with the command '@wgm <message>'

Simply replace <message> with the name and location of the suspect and someone will investigate.

Cheers

Cappy =)

Honestly... what really needs to happen... is the devs need to redo game play to make holding down two keys while standing on top of other players not the best way to way to gain exp.

CapitanAwesome wrote:Resting a hand on your keyboard shouldnt be considered botting, as the player is physically at the computer controlling the character.

Which is why we define AFK as not responding to GMs. If you don't chat, all we can assume is that you are AFK, and so are breaking the rules (if attacking, etc).

Leo6607 wrote:Would it be possible to lose lvl's from EXP Loss, or just get down to 0% ..? (If it's put into the game, that is..) Btw, I like the idea of the question thing :p

We could do that, or where you can't loose levels, but need to regain all the exp you already did before you can get the next level.

A death penalty in a well polished, balanced game would be a good choice. But lets face it this is a test server. We are testing the well polished, balanced game.

If you do not have good and safe places for people to lvl up, and you impose a death penalty, you just made the game impossible.

There is no place safe place to lvl. There is no divisty in monster that would do that.

I personally do not see any reason why holding to keys is not a problem. Stack creates friendships and bonds.


I understand that we need to reach out side of the box, but right now the box is pretty good.

I say yes to a death penalty only when we have diversity to support it.


And if you answer the gm, you are not a bot. Right Captain? You answer the question, and the gm does go running to town telling everyone you almost got caught and he knows you are a bot? Right? innocent until guilty? Here to prove botting? Not accuse people of it? Right cappy? Right?

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Botting in the game gives an unfair advantage towards fellow players.

I disagree completely. Here's why.

I am working man. I work 8 hours a day as a programmer. When I came home, I either fall dead to bed or relax behind computer surfing web or playing games like TMW. I can play TMW perhaps hour or two per day. Meanwhile, there are players (I don't want to tell the names but I know at least one player like that) that play more that 8 hours a day. He is uneployed so he use it as unfair advantage. Hell, he play all day long. Why? Because he can. I write myself a bot for same reason. Because I can. And because I simply cannot match players like he is. It is also unfair (by your measures).

I don't really think it is unfair. It is the GAME. In game everybody use his own skills to beat other players. Somebody have lots of times, somebody has talent, somebody is skilled in trade, etc.

zefram wrote:

Botting in the game gives an unfair advantage towards fellow players.

I disagree completely. Here's why.

I am working man. I work 8 hours a day as a programmer. When I came home, I either fall dead to bed or relax behind computer surfing web or playing games like TMW. I can play TMW perhaps hour or two per day. Meanwhile, there are players (I don't want to tell the names but I know at least one player like that) that play more that 8 hours a day. He is uneployed so he use it as unfair advantage. Hell, he play all day long. Why? Because he can. I write myself a bot for same reason. Because I can. And because I simply cannot match players like he is. It is also unfair (by your measures).

I don't really think it is unfair. It is the GAME. In game everybody use his own skills to beat other players. Somebody have lots of times, somebody has talent, somebody is skilled in trade, etc.

So you think for example it should also be allowed for GMs to abuse their power for their own (or friends), just because they have the "skill" to do it?