Hmm..Fair or not? 2

[OldNavy]

This really isn't abuse or anything, more like a concern. Last week or so, cant really recall the exact date, a GM revived a player in Candor. So this week, I died and said "hey, wish there was a GM to revive me" so then a conversation arose of "they cant do that" so my question is. Why is a GM allowed only to revive certain player, if they are willing to revive on in Candor why not revive them all while they are add it? Or, better question is if the revive command is only used for their friends? Either way, I do find this a bit unfair to those who aren't friends with GM's. So must we praise the ground they walk on so they can use their powers to the fullest, or stand around and let them use their powers only on friends? Well, it doesnt really matter, I'm not going to kiss ass to any GM since to me they are just another player. So can anyone tell me why I can't be revived in Candor while others can?

It seems the Male GM's dont know how to use their powers right or favortism their friends and other players.
prsm you dont have a right to lock this topic.


2011-04-21 02:21:14] 009-1.gat(46,29) Prsm(2102937) : @kill mrgrey
[2011-04-21 02:21:56] 009-1.gat(46,29) Prsm(2102937) : @revive mrgrey
[2011-04-19 00:23:02] 029-3.gat(47,34) Prsm(2102937) : @revive darkwind
[2011-04-19 00:23:03] 029-3.gat(47,34) Prsm(2102937) : @revive DarkWind
[2011-04-19 00:23:03] 029-3.gat(47,34) Prsm(2102937) : @revive DarkWind
[2011-04-17 21:53:57] 031-3.gat(46,27) Big Crunch(2160466) : @kill Frost
[2011-04-16 23:50:29] 029-3.gat(47,33) Big Crunch(2160466) : @revive neplor
[2011-04-14 04:21:17] 009-1.gat(46,37) Big Crunch(2160466) : @revive Little Princess
[2011-04-14 04:20:58] 009-1.gat(48,38) Big Crunch(2160466) : @revive 4144
[2011-04-13 13:24:16] 009-1.gat(46,37) Big Crunch(2160466) : @revive Hello=)
[2011-04-13 01:34:43] 009-1.gat(46,29) Prsm(2102937) : @revive mistakes
[2011-04-12 18:53:36] 009-1.gat(46,37) Big Crunch(2160466) : @kill verdo
[2011-04-11 22:53:43] 009-1.gat(46,30) Prsm(2102937) : @revive (@_@)
[2011-04-11 22:12:24] 029-3.gat(46,31) Big Crunch(2160466) : @revive Mr.
[2011-04-11 00:45:19] 009-1.gat(46,29) Prsm(2102937) : @kill zeshadok
[2011-04-10 02:39:48] 009-1.gat(46,37) Big Crunch(2160466) : @kill kandi

[prsm]

old navy, i normally don't respond to critics, but i will comment on one thing.

The other topic was locked because it was placed in the wrong forum!

Enjoy the game

[yubabax116]

it should have been moved not locked then
and old navy i agree its not fair sometimes to other players but you cant change whats been done.


yubaba

[Reid]

2011-04-21 02:21:14] 009-1.gat(46,29) Prsm(2102937) : @kill mrgrey
[2011-04-14 04:20:58] 009-1.gat(48,38) Big Crunch(2160466) : @revive 4144
[2011-04-13 01:34:43] 009-1.gat(46,29) Prsm(2102937) : @revive mistakes
[2011-04-12 18:53:36] 009-1.gat(46,37) Big Crunch(2160466) : @kill verdo
[2011-04-11 00:45:19] 009-1.gat(46,29) Prsm(2102937) : @kill zeshadok

Why Complain? I totally agree what they did.
/me hides

Thanks "male" GMs for your hard work, we all (exept Oldnavire) understand how much your job is hard

(Also, our 'male' GMs are so sexy, how can't you forgive them? )

[yubabax116]

your just happy they revived 4144 lol

Yubaba

[Jumpy]

what a hell Prsm !!!

[2011-04-11 00:45:19] 009-1.gat(46,29) Prsm(2102937) : @kill zeshadok

you killed me !!

after 3 years in the same party you killed me and not revived me ?

can't believe that

gonna suicide with fallen tonight

...

what was the question again ?

ok next topic please
this one is nonsens

and accusing Prsm of favoritism also

see you in game all

oh btw who is OldNavy ? 5 posts...
SavageYeaLol 1 post...
pocahontas was in candor saying she was going to post about that concern
why are you hiding
who is pocahontas btw...
another alt of some famous scammer, begger, and multiboxer ?

no more comments...

[yubabax116]

Well i do think its not very fair that he revived someone else and not the person who asked during candor i have to admit. reviving and killing other players should just not happen at all period, it would save alot of conflict.


Yubaba

[mistergrey]

Okay, this is kind of ridiculous. Before, GM abuse was actually abuse - it was crap like GMs spawning items at random, banning people for petty reasons, etc. Now, apparently it's the GMs doing Anything at all that isn't related to botchecking. To be honest, it was a lot more fun when GMs used to do things more often, spawning monsters, funny announcements, just generally amusing stuff. It was getting boring with a lot of the active GMs not around, or not doing anything because people take advantage and beg them to do more.

Personally, to me it's the same deal as spawn parties - GMs may or may not do them, but they don't do things on command because then everyone expects them to do those things, which are not a priority. If you find yourself the target of an abusive action, then by all means say something. But don't complain for the sake of complaining - these are people, not robots, sometimes they'll do things as jokes, or in one of the complainers' cases, try reviving someone after lag, when they had no obligation to do so. If you'd prefer someone who stays invisible and does nothing but check bots all day, rather than people with a sense of humor who actually do things for the players' fun, then you have bad taste, and should probably look for a game run by a dictator, where you'll at least Know the rules and not dare to twist them, lol .

[yubabax116]

Nobodys complaining about the spawn partys and the funny announcements, they are complaining because the gms revive certain people and when someone else asks they say no its not allowed.


Yubaba

[DarkWater]

Two questions. Was it favoritism? Should revive be use by gm's?

I doubt it was favoritism, more like a moment of weakness. It was a mistake and it was a human mistake. It was done to increase the playability of the game and for the players, as a whole, in the game, not for any specific player.

Should it have happened... Well lets us talk about it.

I was 100% against revive and all the other commands the gm's could use, when it was the gm's that was appointed by the GHP. But these gm's are people appointed by the community.

But let us talk about a little history here. About 2 year ago, the GHP gm's abused the position by doing specific things that only help friends. The form of help was personal and private, teleportation from a spawn point to the fight, giving of items, reviving a character so they could attempt to kill people that the gm did not like. The abuse allow the gm's friends to abuse other players, to the point where we have people leaving the game. Revive and the other gm's commands where used to help in this abuse. Was that wrong, yes it was.

The reason that prsm told you no, even though he did it to other people was simple. He learned that it was wrong and you should not do it, and innocent mistake. It was wrong because in the past, it was abused to help 3rd parties attack enemies of the gm's.

We are talking about something that happened once. Where a gm saw a wrong, server lag, and tried to correct it. It was not wrong for him to interfere with the injustice created by server lag. But it is wrong for them to use the power with out declaring that they are going to allow that behavior again and having a public debate about this power.

So I ask the gm's and anyone that wants to have this conversation, What power should we allow the gm's to use, and what powers should we restrict from them?

Of course banning, kicking, and other behavior that helps enforce the rules.

I think gm commands should be allowed at will for events held by the gm and at the will of the event sponsor. Which means that if a gm decides to hold a candor event, if he chooses revive a player, then he should try to revive them all. If the sponsor does not want revive on, then it should not be use. But to be clear, I don't think a gm should have to revive you, he/she should have a choice. If you are being a problem, he/she should not be forced to do anything for you.

Outside of these event, gm codes should only be used for game/bug testing.

So in the past, I was against the use of gm powers period, because the people have zero say to who used them.

Now that we have gm's elected by the community, I think there should be a conversation about allowing the ability to be used again. I hope that we have a public and private conversation about this topic, because we do need to sit down and talk about this very important subject.

I would ask Old Navy to start a poll on this subject. Try to be clear and fair about what you feel needs to be changed. Please explain where your problem is and how we, as a community can help each other.

Rain

[dayve]

Nobodys complaining about the spawn partys and the funny announcements, they are complaining because the gms revive certain people and when someone else asks they say no its not allowed.


Yubaba

Crush
Post subject: Re: TRAITS OF A GOOD GM
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:03 am

.. who are too generous. They will also be equally generous with their GM powers and use them to give their buddies advantages. That's the reason Delasia was removed from the GM team

[Big Crunch]

GM commands, beyond the ones required, are generally used to enhance gameplay. As Prsm said, he was trying to rectify a crappy situation, but realized it was futile. In the situation where someone died naturally(as natural as being eaten by a skeleton or fallen can be considered) in Candor, we all understand that dying is part of the game and of course we wouldnt revive someone, whether or not they are a friend. In regards to any other instance of @kill or @revive, they were either used as a harmless joke in town, or by request, meaning the player requested to be killed stating they were stuck on a map, generally. Regarding using @revive most instances stated above are after a bout of pvp in town and the people in question were afk.

We the Game Masters are not above answering to the players, imo. We are put in these positions by you and we were elected to serve you. Thanks for bringing this up and know that the situation you are referring to was a learning experience for us. As the game evolves and changes, more situations may be brought up where our judgement can be questioned. Please understand that our current GM's and their friends all know that favors should not and will not be bestowed. We all understand and accept that our judgement can and, at times, will be questioned. Our intentions, however, are solidly in the game's, and player's, interest.

BC

[Kage]

I think gm commands should be allowed at will for events held by the gm and at the will of the event sponsor. Which means that if a gm decides to hold a candor event, if he chooses revive a player, then he should try to revive them all. If the sponsor does not want revive on, then it should not be use. But to be clear, I don't think a gm should have to revive you, he/she should have a choice. If you are being a problem, he/she should not be forced to do anything for you.

In private forums, developers/contributors have agreed that GMs should NOT use their powers to modify game play. Candor was designed to be a fight until you die type of fight, thus why it locks and prevent people from entering.

If the creators of the event wished for people to be able to reenter the fight after they have died, then the creator would had allowed a way for that to happen.

That being said, GMs running around doing random things such as reviving people during the Candor breaks key gameplay of the in-game activity. 'Sponsors' of the candor event do not have control over how the game is played, as they are players as well.

This being said, I see nothing wrong with GMs (or players) creating their own events, with their own rules. As long as those rules are within the confines of the greater game.

[yourmistakes]

i'd like to point out that most of these commands were used in town. and since not a whole lot of anything happens in town . . . grow up and quit bitching

[WildX]

We play TMW to have fun, and GMs does too. Don't complain on everything they do, they help us enjoying the game! Let them have fun sometimes.
Why can't they use commands like @revive in their spawn parties/in town if it makes people enjoy the party?
Candor is different, but that problem is solved AFAIK.
P.S.
I know that things like "it's just a game" or "we play to have fun" are often used wrong, but in this context it was needed.