The official server flamewar topic

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Re: The Mana World is offline [FIXED]

Post by t3st3r » 08 Jan 2019, 21:52

Platyna wrote:
01 Jan 2019, 07:18
You are silly. I always dealt with security and system issues promptly
I remember how it worked when someone stressed your apache, by something like infamous slow-reading DoS, so apache proven to be what it really is: slowpoke jerk & resource hog. Btw your HW server is a powerhouse compared to VMs and so on. Kinda shame it got down that easy. So new users were denied gamedata downloads. It persisted for days IIRC. Somehow, current TMW devs are at least able to set up nginx, it way harder to knock down this way. Even on VMs. There're also other measures. Sometimes they backfire, but overall I got to think their configuration is more sturdy, despite of lacking tremendous resources of dedicated HW server.
and what is the point of me hacking the server with 5 people online if I could hack and destroy it (as I knew all the bugs and weaknesses) it when there were 50?
Looking on how ppl managing vs some dumbass pest in another thread, despite odds, I would take this statement with a grain of salt. Yet it is known doing damage is easier than creating something and keeping it going. What would it prove? That you care about own weird ego more than about project? Hardly big achievement.
The difference between me and Stealing Committee is that I am not an abuser and I always was working for a common good.
Seems "Committee" had different idea on the topic. I wouldn't count on project future without dev/admin/GM team. If you think you can do it better - where is the proof? You also had database, and even registered domain name but ... it failed for rather funny reasons, like failing negotiations to include to online list. So much of management. Sorry, your manipulations are primitive, only dumb people would buy it. Also, slavery got prohibited ages ago - so attempts to view ppl around as your "assets" or "property" wouldn't work.

And most hilarious thing... look, now ppl trust MICROSOFT to run their server as VM more than they trust you, Linux admin with dedicated server. Maybe because even MS if far less about treating everyone as their "asset".

Either way, past it past. I'm curious: what you're trying to achieve by blaming TMWC all the time?
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Re: The Mana World is offline [FIXED]

Post by TheManaWorld » 09 Jan 2019, 17:41

t3st3r wrote:
08 Jan 2019, 21:52
Platyna wrote:
01 Jan 2019, 07:18
You are silly. I always dealt with security and system issues promptly
I remember how it worked when someone stressed your apache, by something like infamous slow-reading DoS, so apache proven to be what it really is: slowpoke jerk & resource hog. Btw your HW server is a powerhouse compared to VMs and so on. Kinda shame it got down that easy. So new users were denied gamedata downloads. It persisted for days IIRC. Somehow, current TMW devs are at least able to set up nginx, it way harder to knock down this way. Even on VMs. There're also other measures. Sometimes they backfire, but overall I got to think their configuration is more sturdy, despite of lacking tremendous resources of dedicated HW server.
and what is the point of me hacking the server with 5 people online if I could hack and destroy it (as I knew all the bugs and weaknesses) it when there were 50?
Looking on how ppl managing vs some dumbass pest in another thread, despite odds, I would take this statement with a grain of salt. Yet it is known doing damage is easier than creating something and keeping it going. What would it prove? That you care about own weird ego more than about project? Hardly big achievement.
The difference between me and Stealing Committee is that I am not an abuser and I always was working for a common good.
Seems "Committee" had different idea on the topic. I wouldn't count on project future without dev/admin/GM team. If you think you can do it better - where is the proof? You also had database, and even registered domain name but ... it failed for rather funny reasons, like failing negotiations to include to online list. So much of management. Sorry, your manipulations are primitive, only dumb people would buy it. Also, slavery got prohibited ages ago - so attempts to view ppl around as your "assets" or "property" wouldn't work.

And most hilarious thing... look, now ppl trust MICROSOFT to run their server as VM more than they trust you, Linux admin with dedicated server. Maybe because even MS if far less about treating everyone as their "asset".

Either way, past it past. I'm curious: what you're trying to achieve by blaming TMWC all the time?
Well Microsoft earned it, they also own the company we use to host the source code of the game and so many libraries used by the game itself.
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Re: The official server flamewar topic

Post by Platyna » 08 Feb 2019, 15:49

Oh my, oh my, my httpd server couldn't stand 5 millions queries per hour. I am bad admin, going to cut myself. :D And TMWC can have as much ideas on my ideas as they wish so, if they are not stealing my data.
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Re: TMW and Microsoft Azure hosting

Post by Platyna » 08 Feb 2019, 15:55

This data was given to me by users, I am responsible for them, when I say I do own this data it means I am solely responsible for it on behalf of the users. You fail to understand what OSS is. OSS not about stealing, it is about forking. If you don't Linux kernel management you do not steal Torvald's data and give it away. And I was a very good host. The service was stable and it did not disappear for two months like it happened with previous hosts. Without me TMWC would have nothing to steal as the game would be long dead. Data theft is data theft, no matter if the owner was good or bad.
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Re: TMW and Microsoft Azure hosting

Post by prsm » 08 Feb 2019, 22:46

the only person that thinks you did a good job was you!

On your server we had outages, roll backs, had to purge accounts, and deal with your threats.

Not to mention, your Ego, you seem to revel in the power!

Heck, you couldn't even keep your mail account working!

Glad to see you posting, it means we are still a thorn in your side!

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Re: The official server flamewar topic

Post by WildX » 09 Feb 2019, 19:58

We are approaching 6 years of this useless bickering...
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Re: The official server flamewar topic

Post by SudoPlatypus » 10 Feb 2019, 19:09

WildX wrote:
09 Feb 2019, 19:58
We are approaching 6 years of this useless bickering...
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Re: The official server flamewar topic

Post by blackrazor » Today, 03:07

So sad this goes in circles forever. OSS lets you freely copy the code, art, and scripting assets, usually placed on Github or something similar. You never have the right to copy the databases created by the server software on the game admin's computer. OSS does NOT cover that. It doesn't matter if your own character or email address or username/password is included in the data. Your only option then, is to have it removed. It doesn't matter if you come to despise the game admin, or believe them to be incompetent. Your only option then is to vote with your feet; go play another game, or code your own, including a fork of this project, since it's OSS on Github. Go make an exact assets copy, but with a fresh server database of your own creation (from the logins of all who play there). The player logins are not the owners of the database. The contributors to the project are not the owners of any particular database. Each game admin is the owner of their particular database, as output by the server software, on a machine under their jurisdiction. Elven and Bjorn cannot change this retroactively. Successive generations of game admins cannot claim ignorance of the facts, either. The facts will follow you, for as long as you continue to contravene them.

So yeah, it is stolen data that is still being used here. Specifically, frost and o11c stole it from Platyna on behalf of the TMWC and gave it to you guys, and you continue to use it, to this day. Why you didn't just start your own fork with a fresh database is beyond me. Were you all so attached to the characters and character possessions contained within the database, the digital representation of the virtual world owned by Platyna, that you couldn't bear to part with it? Wild keeps asking why it keeps getting brought up. Is there a statute of limitations for data theft, especially when the theft continues and the people in charge troll the victim about it? I'm not particularly sympathetic to Platyna as a human being, but theft is theft. Nowhere is theft considered less of a theft, because you don't like the person, their values, or their competence. I was hoping that your new project, with new combined assets and a fresh database would be online by now. But as long as the old, stolen database continues to be in use, this will keep coming up. You want it to end? Then understand what is causing the issue, and do differently. That's my advice.
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Re: The official server flamewar topic

Post by prsm » Today, 04:34

the typed word, can be taken may ways! the nuisances of the voice are lost here.

You can call it stolen data, you can say they were power hungry! i get that. You have
a right to that opinion....... But did you know........

it was those individuals that created a back up to the data, that circumvented rolls back
caused by an admin at that time being constantly afk!

Did you know if those individuals had not come up with a backup to that admins deficiencies ,
that most of those players that played at that time, would have lost countless of playing hours
of grinding, because that admin had screwed up?

Did you know that those people that helped all the players not waste their energies, get threaten
by that admin for the extra effort they went through ?

Did you know that admin never thanked those individuals for saving the game?

did you know that admin knew they were backing up the data for her deficiency?

She knew the whole time! Just like she knew her email wasnt broken!
she left! and she only came back when her ego could not be fed!

Who the else would say they were power hungry kids? Its a 2d game!
Serious Platyna, its like argueing about the power of a 2d game, in the 2100
century!

if you want incompetence in the game, i agree, Platyna is your person .....

But do you really know the facts?
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Re: The official server flamewar topic

Post by blackrazor » 24 minutes ago

Hi Prsm! I do know those facts, or at least a version of them. None of it justified theft. You know that. I know it, too. You all could have just made a fork. Lost hours of grinding do not justify theft. Better to just start over with a clean slate and a clear conscience.
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