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Superkoop wrote:

Crush wrote:I consider such a wipe completely unnecessary. The excess money which is currently in the game can be dealt with through money sinks.

+1000

A complete wipe (levels, money, items, all of it) at this point seems pointless, and unfair. There will be a complete wipe with the new TMWserv anyhow, so two wipes will only piss people off twice as much. The TMWserv wipe will be justified by making the game really better, this wipe would only make people upset without really adding much to the game.

Look, I don't want this "pissing the players off" thing, because I want our game to be interesting and enjoyable for everyone, not only power levelers and abusers, so I couldn't care less if they leave, and I wish a concrete discussion not repeating all over again the same thing.

I am asking you for input, not for flames and stuff "many players will leave" I am playing MMORPGs since more time most of you is walking this earth, and I have heard "many people will leave" ALOT of times, and never anything like that has happened at all, on the contary - it dragged more people to games, since it gives a comfort that now you have the same chances as the person constantly abusing the bugs or a person who uses money of their friends abusing the bug.

The best solution IMO, would be to add better logging to catch the cheaters in the future, and money sinks for present situations.

Not possible to do.

Regards.

Crush wrote:I consider such a wipe completely unnecessary. The excess money which is currently in the game can be dealt with through money sinks.

You are wrong here, this bug was abused very, very long time, and it is not possible to track any impact, hence the consideration of total wipe.
You can get level 60 in a week, you really think introducing meat instead money is going to fix it?

Regards.

Once you have such a policy, no-one can complain that your actions are unfair, since they had every opportunity to review the policy. In fact, it might be easiest to make up such a policy before you make the decision, so that you don't wind up in the embarrassing situation of devising a policy that contradicts your most recent decision.

(Side note: this notion is very much akin to the idea of a minimal `constitution' for a former totalitarian state, with many of the same possibilities, hopes, fears, strengths, and weaknesses. Now, a game is not a state, but it shares many of the same properties-- except that people who are fed up will just leave, rather than guilloutining their leaders. But as Sert pointed out, both have the option of declaring independence.)

Yes but wouldn’t such a “constitution” just state the obvious

Could you people cut quotes and only quote the text you are replying to? It is realy a pain to read it.
I have attached a poll, but think before voting.

Regards.

I voted for No. We always said we won't fix eAthena, why should we do it now?
Everything gets wiped with the new server anyways? (But would be nice if we could transfer accounts-only to the new server)

Now we have a person interested into hacking the eathena code, so we can fix it, I have enabled revote in this poll. ;)

Regards.

As Crush said one time: 'eAthena is garbage'.

Instead of speak on a bug of this kind of server, why don't apply all the developers on TMWServ?

Platyna wrote:You can get level 60 in a week, you really think introducing meat instead money is going to fix it?

Crush is not proposing new currency at all. We all mean the same thing by "money-sinks": in-game voluntary rewards for dumping large amounts of money, many of which could be dubious prizes such as a "Mr. Exploiter" hat. They would essentially be items that could be bought/won randomly for a short amount of time in exchange for vast amounts of money (say 500,000 GP to start).

See the link Crush posted for more ideas on what this term means:

Crush wrote:Instead of doing a roleback or a money wipe they managed to cope with the problem in a very elegant way without even straining the established rules of the game world. http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/ind ... ack_Sunday (Note: "Meat" is the currency in the game)

Sertraline wrote:

Platyna wrote:You can get level 60 in a week, you really think introducing meat instead money is going to fix it?

Crush is not proposing new currency at all. We all mean the same thing by "money-sinks": in-game voluntary rewards for dumping large amounts of money, many of which could be dubious prizes such as a "Mr. Exploiter" hat. They would essentially be items that could be bought/won randomly for a short amount of time in exchange for vast amounts of money (say 500,000 GP to start).

I thought everyone underestands that for money you can buy stuff and therefore you can buy levels and when you have levels you have an advantage? Exploiters wins anyway.

Shaili (a.k.a. tds) wrote:As Crush said one time: 'eAthena is garbage'.

Instead of speak on a bug of this kind of server, why don't apply all the developers on TMWServ?

Then go and make them. ;) Also if we will put too much rush on it we will not relase a good server anyway, we will also have problems on the new server if we not develop some good starting point of economy, therefore we will be shooting ourselves in the foot.

Regards.

Economy? What economy? The current TMW has no economy and never had an economy.

An economy in an MMO game requires a number of faucets and a drain.

The faucets bring resources (items, money etc.) into the game. The drain takes them out of the game. No player should have access to all faucets (through specialisation on different monster types or different crafting disciplines). This ensures that players have to trade with each other.

The current game has only one faucet (monster drops) because there isn't a high degree of specialisation and it has virtually no drain. A wipe won't fix that problem. Only the introduction of a more sophisticated economy system will do.

Platyna wrote:I thought everyone underestands that for money you can buy stuff and therefore you can buy levels and when you have levels you have an advantage? Exploiters wins anyway.

Perhaps the "dubious prizes" are a bad example, although it seems they used that to great effect. I should add that they also seem to have invented several new quests which could only be unlocked if an NPC was given so much money. A quick analysis could show how much money needs to be siphoned from the game and a mass community effort to gain these new quests would drain the money voluntarily.

We are currently experimenting with recolorable equipment. This could be a good application for this.

There is an inaccessible building in Hurnscald which has currently no function. We could make it a tannery which allows to recolor your equipment, but it will only open when players collect a specified sum of money. When the money has been collected the tannery opens and recolors equipment for a small prize.

The excess money in the game can be easily determined: http://server.themanaworld.org/stats/top-money.txt Sum up the money of the top 50 richest and you got a good amount.

Yes, Crush, we have no economy, thank you for this brilliant finding, that thread is to actually made to change this.

Regards.

My conclusion was that a wipe won't change this.

Crush wrote:My conclusion was that a wipe won't change this.

It will, if you think otherwise then tell me why not?

Regards.